What did FF14 have right, at launch?

[AsterBarnivere]

Me: *cooking*
(Aldgoats breathing down my neck curiously watching)
Me: "Guys I have the strangest feeling that I'm being watched... I'm scurrred."

[Denmo]

What strikes me about the issues this thread brings up is that most of the complaints we had about the game are now pretty much nixed, aside from the UI/game/server engines.

[Tricksy]

What strikes me about the issues this thread brings up is that most of the complaints we had about the game are now pretty much nixed, aside from the UI/game/server engines.

Thats because all those people stopped playing.

Whiteknights are going to ruin this game.

"Oh Yoshi! You have fixed everything! You are so amazing! Want a beer! "

2 months after 2.0

"Where'd Denmo go?"

"Oh he left FF14 and went back playing WoW and whiteknighting other shitty games"

[Velhart]

Thats because all those people stopped playing.

Whiteknights are going to ruin this game.

"Oh Yoshi! You have fixed everything! You are so amazing! Want a beer! "

2 months after 2.0

"Where'd Denmo go?"

"Oh he left FF14 and went back playing WoW and whiteknighting other shitty games"

Why is having a positive opinion immediately brand someone a white knight? Everyone here has a clear understanding that the game has a lot of flaws. But that doesn't mean "everything" was bad, there are things people like, there are some that people don't. Denmo is right, most of the complaints do revolve around the UI, game, and server engines. If all of those were okay from the beginning, FFXIV wouldn't have gotten as harsh of treatment as it did.

Could the guildleve system work out? We won't ever know now, but besides the technical aspects, the worst thing about FFXIV was lack of content and the EXP/SP/Fatigue system.

[Tricksy]

Why is having a positive opinion immediately brand someone a white knight? Everyone here has a clear understanding that the game has a lot of flaws. But that doesn't mean "everything" was bad, there are things people like, there are some that people don't. Denmo is right, most of the complaints do revolve around the UI, game, and server engines. If all of those were okay from the beginning, FFXIV wouldn't have gotten as harsh of treatment as it did.

Could the guildleve system work out? We won't ever know now, but besides the technical aspects, the worst thing about FFXIV was lack of content and the EXP/SP/Fatigue system.

I dont think you understand what he was getting at.

He was stating that by removing all the features SE removed, they successfully stopped complaints. My opinion is that they could have stuck with alot of the things they had but actually fixed them and people would have been even more happy then they are now having received some generic MMO features in place of what was there before. It seems you also believe that the game wasn't all that bad besides being rushed.

Furthermore, its mostly due to the game having nearly no population besides whiteknights and fanbois that complaints are less common.

And from what empirical evidence do you two pull the theory that "most people just didnt like the UI, game and engine"? Think you need to remember that this is all just opinions back and forth. Also, please explain what "UI, game and engine" even means?

UI I understand, and from people I have spoken to its either due to actual lag that they did not enjoy the use of the UI or due to its being dissimilar to WoW. Lag is lag and thats SE's fault. But if the UI was not laggy and unresponsive many people would not have been so turned off by it. And people who cannot play a video game because its UI is different from another video game they have played are the epitome of spoiled brats who cannot be bothered to give a game a few hours to get themselves acquainted with it.

"Game and engine" Engine I understand and agree with. What does game mean? Im at a loss. Do you mean the whole game? A specific feature of the game? Or are you just throwing the word "game" into your sentence as filler to make it look more full.

There were tonnes of complaints because almost every feature was broken in some way. This thread is to point out the features we liked, that were either removed, altered or still in the game. I agree that if the game released with no lag, better servers and a better optimized engine that it would have done well.

Personally I have no problem with a menu based video game UI. But as long as SE puts in options so WoW players can have their mouse "point and click" playing, while others can still have their menus and screens clear of buttons and junk, well its win win for everybody.

[Denmo]

Thats because all those people stopped playing.

Whiteknights are going to ruin this game.

"Oh Yoshi! You have fixed everything! You are so amazing! Want a beer! "

2 months after 2.0

"Where'd Denmo go?"

"Oh he left FF14 and went back playing WoW and whiteknighting other shitty games"

I don't know what I did to you, but whatever.

[Tricksy]

It was bugs, lag and broken mechanics that people complained about for the most part. Sure there was some stupidity on the devs parts such as Fatigue, but I have yet to see one person in this thread say "I loved Fatigue!"

So when you say people have stopped complaining, (which they have not, I think you probably cherry pick the threads and posts you read) what you are really seeing is

a. people who were turned off by the bug, lag and general brokenness no longer playing, therefore no longer able to use this forum and

b. 1.5 year long attempt by first Tanaka and then Yoshi to remove bugs, lag and brokenness from the game, which

c. usually came at the expense of the interesting features we are talking about and with some generic mmo feature tacked on in its place

[Dragon]

It was bugs, lag and broken mechanics that people complained about for the most part. Sure there was some stupidity on the devs parts such as Fatigue, but I have yet to see one person in this thread say "I loved Fatigue!"

So when you say people have stopped complaining, (which they have not, I think you probably cherry pick the threads and posts you read) what you are really seeing is

a. people who were turned off by the bug, lag and general brokenness no longer playing, therefore no longer able to use this forum and

b. 1.5 year long attempt by first Tanaka and then Yoshi to remove bugs, lag and brokenness from the game, which

c. usually came at the expense of the interesting features we are talking about and with some generic mmo feature tacked on in its place

And don't forget that people either don't understand the difference between a broken engine and features used in a broken engine or refuse to just to push their own agenda (AKA the auction house supporters).

[Leyza]

The only thing I thought it had right at launch was combat. I thought it was pretty fun. I would say the graphics, but the engine is so unstable it's hard to say they got that right.

[Lurex]

I was gonna say graphics, but after thinking about it better and realizing the problem with the server structure, I re-thought it. So, my answer is NOTHING.