I got a question! (PLD)

[Vatom]

Why do PLD still have clemency? I mean is there an equivalent to that with other tanks and if not why do they still have this button. Also can be said for shield bash but I’ll leave the focus to the former.

[Zairava]

Flavor and sustainability are the two most likely candidates. They are a paladin after all, they should be able to heal themselves somewhat.

It's both on the GCD and breaks it, so it isn't really meant to be something you can use freely, it's meant to be something to fall back on if you need it.

As for shield bash...I fall under the assumption it's only survived this long because of Deep Dungeon.

[Vatom]

Ok I get flavor Holy knight etc. but then why does any other tank have a flavor button?

[Supersnow845]

Ok I get flavor Holy knight etc. but then why does any other tank have a flavor button?

They did

It’s actually shocking how much flavour has been ripped out of this game over the years

[Vatom]

Oh sorry that was a typo I meant doesn’t if that help clear things up. But if that didn’t thank you for you input I’m well aware I’ve been playing since HW. I’m just saying why do PLD have this button? If one people complain about it and two no other tank has something like that in any fourm and also to be clear I’m focusing only on this move we can talk about others in another thread. I hope that didn’t come off jerkish I mean no disrespect

[Supersnow845]

Oh sorry that was a typo I meant doesn’t if that help clear things up. But if that didn’t thank you for you input I’m well aware I’ve been playing since HW. I’m just saying why do PLD have this button? If one people complain about it and two no other tank has something like that in any fourm and also to be clear I’m focusing only on this move we can talk about others in another thread. I hope that didn’t come off jerkish I mean no disrespect

I mean it’s hard to talk about just one button because square seems have no rhyme or reason as to what old “flavour” buttons they retain

Like you said shield bash is another, you could argue cure 1/benefic 1 is another as are flavourless defensives like shade shift

But the still here because square hasn’t done their “spin the wheel to delete random skills”

[Vatom]

I love that answer (not a gotcha I truly do) But now I must ask. Would it fair is fair should SE remove buttons like this? Or give the other jobs an equivalent? If you don’t see either please explain your viewpoint cause I think fair is fair.

[rawker]

I personally am against the removal of Clemency. It is niche, i know, but it is still useful. Another scenario, Raise should not exist given one can just respawn and run back or in the case of boss arenas, wipe and repeat, but again, the convenience it brings is there. Same with Clemency

So again, no. Just because you might find it "not useful" or "consumes extra space", doesn't mean it has to be removed. We already got EW SMN as an example of the bad case of oversimplification.

[Vatom]

I respect your stance since that’s what I asked for. I’m well aware of its utility, I’m not arguing that. So to reiterate my statement. Fair is Fair… right? (If you don’t get what I mean tank balance and job fairness) note my stance isn’t that I don’t like clemency, idk if I made that clear. I love the ability to massively heal people. But!! It’s an ability that no other tank has. So should other tanks get something equivalent to that or just remove it. Your stance is don’t remove it.. ok but each tanks should have an equivalent because… Fair is Fair. If otherwise it’s not fair and SE is doing a disservice to other players

Note we are mainly focusing one this spell

[EusisLandale]

Note we are mainly focusing one this spell

A single ability alone is a horrible way to judge things. Clemency is in direct competition for resources with DPS abilities, limiting its use.

If you honestly want to talk about unfair advantages over others, go look at what Warriors have and get back to us on that.