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    Phoebe Iris
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    That would be valid if it was actually advice about problematic gameplay design (like current WAR) but right now people are complaining entirely on aesthetic basis

    Not liking a classes aesthetics 100% falls into the “if you don’t like the aesthetics don’t play the class”

    Arguing that you want different aesthetics is pointless because you can get different aesthetics by playing a different class
    I'm afraid we won't see eye to eye on this. To me, "Don't like it, Don't play it" also applies to job design. It could also be used on the graphic update too. Don't like your dead eyes? Pick a different race. That's aesthetics too. I don't understand how aesthetics is unacceptable as valid criticism.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonoki View Post
    I'm afraid we won't see eye to eye on this. To me, "Don't like it, Don't play it" also applies to job design. It could also be used on the graphic update too. Don't like your dead eyes? Pick a different race. That's aesthetics too. I don't understand how aesthetics is unacceptable as valid criticism.
    Because there is no logical ending to an aesthetics criticism

    If I said I wanted DRK’s 1-2-3 to look like sailor moon’s transformation would that be a valid aesthetic criticism of DRK that is worth considering changing DRK for

    No of course not I’d just be told to play a different job

    Aesthetic criticism just really isn’t a valid reason to change a job because it doesn’t affect gameplay. It’s the same reason why it’s pointless to argue against others taste in glamour, because you don’t have to wear what they are wearing

    The only time I’d really argue aesthetic criticism is valid is a situation like modern healers where all 4 options are “UWU I'm h-h-hewe t-to make aww youw wounds nyice and bettew“. However casters are visually diverse so you have options
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    Last edited by Supersnow845; 05-05-2024 at 08:35 PM.

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    Nyxis Jomalah
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Because there is no logical ending to an aesthetics criticism

    If I said I wanted DRK’s 1-2-3 to look like sailor moon’s transformation would that be a valid aesthetic criticism of DRK that is worth considering changing DRK for
    Can we have a "magical girl" job? Cause I'd totally be down to get my Sailor Moon fantasy on.
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    Pip Chick
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    I love seeing people in this thread hating PIC, do a 180 and now loving it. I also love seeing people doing theory crafting!
    Welcome to the light side guys!

    PIC is still as amazing as it was before! It now just got more interesting!
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    Myrany Wilzuun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip_Chick View Post
    I love seeing people in this thread hating PIC, do a 180 and now loving it. I also love seeing people doing theory crafting!
    Welcome to the light side guys!

    PIC is still as amazing as it was before! It now just got more interesting!
    I have not done a 180. In fact I will probably level it so I have all the casters done but I don't think it will be something I really enjoy any more than I did when it was first announced. At least they toned down the extreme neon plastic splats so they are not so headache inducing. I will give them that much.
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    Gunnar Mel'nik
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonoki View Post
    I'm afraid we won't see eye to eye on this. To me, "Don't like it, Don't play it" also applies to job design. It could also be used on the graphic update too. Don't like your dead eyes? Pick a different race. That's aesthetics too. I don't understand how aesthetics is unacceptable as valid criticism.
    Unfortunately applying one type of logic to everything doesn't really make sense. Some things can be true about one thing but not others.
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonoki View Post
    I'm afraid we won't see eye to eye on this. To me, "Don't like it, Don't play it" also applies to job design. It could also be used on the graphic update too. Don't like your dead eyes? Pick a different race. That's aesthetics too. I don't understand how aesthetics is unacceptable as valid criticism.
    Fine then, provide us an aesthetic that everyone likes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao