Pictomancer is absurd

[Kiyumi]

Disclaimer: this message is in no way a way of saying that you don't have the right to like cute things. I feel obliged to clarify, because it's obviously a caricature fair on this topic.

That said, your message contains a good dose of bad faith. Playable classes include :

PLD, WAR, WHM, SCH, AST, SAG, PUG, NIN, SAM, DNC, BRD, MCH (gun = edgy? Wut?), SMN, RDM. GNB ?

= not edgy. The majority of playable classes have nothing to do with edgy at all. So where does this come from, this tendency to assert that there's nothing else available, or that not liking the PIC aesthetic automatically means you want a big dark guy who sucks the blood out of his victims?

I was saying that specifically to people who have a problem with pictomancer being cutesy. I don't think the people not playing edgelords are as likely to have an issue with that as the people who are, but maybe that's too much of an assumption.

You can not like an aesthetic and also not be opposed to others having it, I think it takes a certain kind of person to both, not like it and be opposed to others employing it.

Also, the point with guns is more that it's silly. FFXIV is filled with silly jobs, I have no problem with that, plenty of jobs on that list are silly one way or another. But I don't see people moaning when it's edgy silly, yet people come out of the woodworks to complain when it's cute and silly.

It's OK to use a farmer tool, a gun, mathemathics or a fist (against swords) or a dance in a fantasy game, but a paintbrush? Now that's silly.

I just wish people wouldn't cloak 'I hate cute things and want everything to be in the style I like, even if I may not see it' (...turning off other people's animations is almost a must in this game if you don't want a headache...) as being some kind of gatekeeper for the game not being silly. The game is silly, the game is absurd, just, this is a type of silly/absurd that appeals to me and others. I understand FF7 is a lot of people's vibe of the FF series, but FF9 (which has a similar artstyle) and 1-6 still exist.

[Bonoki]

I was saying that specifically to people who have a problem with pictomancer being cutesy. I don't think the people not playing edgelords are as likely to have an issue with that as the people who are, but maybe that's too much of an assumption.

You can not like an aesthetic and also not be opposed to others having it, I think it takes a certain kind of person to both, not like it and be opposed to others employing it.

Also, the point with guns is more that it's silly. FFXIV is filled with silly jobs, I have no problem with that, plenty of jobs on that list are silly one way or another. But I don't see people moaning when it's edgy silly, yet people come out of the woodworks to complain when it's cute and silly.

It's OK to use a farmer tool, a gun, mathemathics or a fist (against swords) or a dance in a fantasy game, but a paintbrush? Now that's silly.

I just wish people wouldn't cloak 'I hate cute things and want everything to be in the style I like, even if I may not see it' (...turning off other people's animations is almost a must in this game if you don't want a headache...) as being some kind of gatekeeper for the game not being silly. The game is silly, the game is absurd, just, this is a type of silly/absurd that appeals to me and others. I understand FF7 is a lot of people's vibe of the FF series, but FF9 (which has a similar artstyle) and 1-6 still exist.

The discussion isn't necessarily about cute versus edgy, although it seems to be heading in that direction. Those unhappy with Pictomancer, myself included, aren't necessarily seeking an edgier alternative. Reaper faced its fair share of criticism as well, although most of it has been buried over its three-year lifespan. Critiques like these are common with every expansion. Dancer was deemed "too feminine," Reaper "too edgy," and now Pictomancer "too silly." This cycle isn't unique to Pictomancer—it's a recurring theme in the community's response to new jobs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...inting_for_me/

Unfortunately, many receipts have been deleted or buried, making it challenging to find them. The broader point is that discussions like these are common with every expansion.

We will likely embody this meme once Pictomancer is finally introduced into the game in all honesty.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...really_is_fun/

These forums will likely revisit this conversation when the aesthetics of Beast Master are revealed.

[Merrigan]

I was saying that specifically to people who have a problem with pictomancer being cutesy. I don't think the people not playing edgelords are as likely to have an issue with that as the people who are, but maybe that's too much of an assumption.

You can not like an aesthetic and also not be opposed to others having it, I think it takes a certain kind of person to both, not like it and be opposed to others employing it.

Also, the point with guns is more that it's silly. FFXIV is filled with silly jobs, I have no problem with that, plenty of jobs on that list are silly one way or another. But I don't see people moaning when it's edgy silly, yet people come out of the woodworks to complain when it's cute and silly.

It's OK to use a farmer tool, a gun, mathemathics or a fist (against swords) or a dance in a fantasy game, but a paintbrush? Now that's silly.

I just wish people wouldn't cloak 'I hate cute things and want everything to be in the style I like, even if I may not see it' (...turning off other people's animations is almost a must in this game if you don't want a headache...) as being some kind of gatekeeper for the game not being silly. The game is silly, the game is absurd, just, this is a type of silly/absurd that appeals to me and others. I understand FF7 is a lot of people's vibe of the FF series, but FF9 (which has a similar artstyle) and 1-6 still exist.

I don't play an edgy character, and the kawai side of the PIC bothers me. Not being a particularly original person, I don't think it's such an unusual position.

To be honest: yes, a paintbrush as a combat weapon is definitely less common than a gun or fists. And a gun isn't silly at all, it's one of the most common weapons in any video game genre. And IRL. Incidentally. And frankly, I'm convinced that if we had a less ‘cute’ aesthetic, it wouldn't bother most people that much. Except, no doubt, for the obligatory grumbling that comes with every job.

In fact, rather than edgy, you should use the term ‘serious’. Having read a good part of the topic, and excepting the borderline trollish posts that are limited to ‘this is BAD, GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK’: people aren't necessarily asking for ‘edgy’, but to be able to take their job seriously. Which seems to be the problem with PIC. In the same way, the Mandervilles quests split the community in two: those who appreciate the silly side of these quests, and those who are impervious to them.

[MikkoAkure]

In fact, rather than edgy, you should use the term ‘serious’. Having read a good part of the topic, and excepting the borderline trollish posts that are limited to ‘this is BAD, GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK’: people aren't necessarily asking for ‘edgy’, but to be able to take their job seriously. Which seems to be the problem with PIC. In the same way, the Mandervilles quests split the community in two: those who appreciate the silly side of these quests, and those who are impervious to them.

ACN/SMN/SCH use a book as their main weapon which I think is closer to the silly side. It’s hard to look serious in cutscenes when WoL opens their book menacingly at an Ascian, or a rampaging goobbue, or a Garlean legatus. At least the paintbrushes somewhat resemble staves used by BLM and WHM and one BLM staff is indeed a paintbrush.

Back in ARR I think I remember as a SMN main being in melee range in coils so I could hit the enemy with my book for more DPS, which looked as goofy as it sounds. They also summon cutesy carbuncles and faeries.

I think after it’s released most people will get over the shock of it and it’ll be just as normal as ACN/SMN/SCH are now.

[Merrigan]

ACN/SMN/SCH use a book as their main weapon which I think is closer to the silly side. It’s hard to look serious in cutscenes when WoL opens their book menacingly at an Ascian, or a rampaging goobbue, or a Garlean legatus. At least the paintbrushes somewhat resemble staves used by BLM and WHM and one BLM staff is indeed a paintbrush.

Back in ARR I think I remember as a SMN main being in melee range in coils so I could hit the enemy with my book for more DPS, which looked as goofy as it sounds. They also summon cutesy carbuncles and faeries.

I think after it’s released most people will get over the shock of it and it’ll be just as normal as ACN/SMN/SCH are now.

Kek, I laughed. Yep, there are definitely classes that look more serious in cutscenes. That said, it all comes down to one thing: the grimoire is ancient. Once again, it's a pretty standard weapon (dnd, which ff is heavily inspired by).

... Except when your character uses it to knock out an ascian, I agree.

But at the end of the day, once again the ‘debate’ (or exchange of opinion here, no doubt) gets sidetracked. The fact that the PIC is original isn't a problem. On the contrary! I can only speak for myself, but when I heard it was going to be the next job, my reaction was: ‘oh. That's... Super cool!’ It's original, and it's bloody brilliant to have a job that's all about bringing images to life. It's got a bit of a philosophical side to it that I was really into at first.

Except that the artist I had in mind was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgdg...nnel=rendermax

[Emitans]

Why would you want the painter class's spell effects to look like everything else? What's even the point of it being a painter then?

[Myrany]

Why would you want the painter class's spell effects to look like everything else? What's even the point of it being a painter then?

I would settle for toning down the painfully neon plasticy look of the splats. Make it look like paint and not a bad kids toy from the 60s

[Lunalepsy]

I hope Pictomancer becomes a limited job.

[Rekh]

We could've had Matoya's magic with realistic-looking summons.
Instead we got cartoon-network level mage with crayon drawings.

One is FF inspired
The other is ONLY inspired by that painter job in ffvi

[Emitans]

We could've had Matoya's magic with realistic-looking summons.
Instead we got cartoon-network level mage with crayon drawings.

One is FF inspired
The other is ONLY inspired by that painter job in ffvi

If you want realistic look summons you can play SMN and SCH