Pictomancer is absurd

[Boblawblah]

No offence, but like. Grow up. Either peoples' opinions are valid or tHeY'rE sOmEtHiNg YoU mAkE fUn Of LiKe ThIs. Pick one.

Why do I have to pick one? Also, what does growing up have to do with this? Bonoki shared her opinion, and was met with a bunch of condescending responses, so I responded in kind.

[Doozer]

Why do I have to pick one? Also, what does growing up have to do with this? Bonoki shared her opinion, and was met with a bunch of condescending responses, so I responded in kind.

Do I really have to haul out the "two wrongs don't make a right" thing, y'know, the one you say to a child?

[Turtledeluxe]

Bonoki: I'm not really a fan of the looks of the Pictomancer.

ITT: "OMG, tHe dAta SaYS..." "THatS NOt A lOgICaL ArGUmENT", "MaKE oNE EVerYOnE LikES ThEN"

lol, since when does not liking something have to be logical and have data supporting it? She doesn't like it, she shared her opinion on it. (and yes, you're allowed to share your responses to her criticism too, as silly as I may find them)

That's not what the argument is. The argument being made is that "don't like it, don't play it" isn't applicable advice because the aesthetic presentation of Picto is subjectively bad. Unfortunately, that's exactly why "don't like it, don't play it" is applicable advice. There are numerous other jobs you can play, and jobs are not designed to appeal to every single player. Jobs are designed to appeal to as many players as possible. The only thing you're right about here is that people have a right to complain. And I have a right to tell them that while I respect their opinion, their opinion is most likely going nowhere. But as long as you are aware that your complaints are self serving, that's totally fine. Don't pretend it's objective, reasonable, etc.

I think if anything, you rendering it back down to "well it's just my opinion", demonstrates there's no credible or coherent argument being formed ITT for Pictomancer actually being a problem.

And it *is* important to clarify when statements are not supported by data or historical trends (at least) because there has to be some well agreed upon base for all of us to work with or else it's just you talking to yourself, basically.

[Sjol]

I'm sure PIC aesthetics were tested internally, at a minimum. So they have some indications that it'll so it's job in terms of selling units.

Honestly and personally, I find the modern clothes glams to be more immersion breaking. Sneakers, CK-style bands, hoodies are all modern, sometimes very. All this without the intervening fashion and technological evolutions that made them possible. For me, they're very out of place with no in universe explanation of why fashion suddenly shifted from medieval and Renaissance to 21st century street clothes

[Turtledeluxe]

Bonoki is the one who started quoting and arguing with people first, and it was still silly arguments. "Picto is bad because Astrologians use cards and Bards use bows". Like that somehow makes Bards and Astrologian unique lol.

All 3 classes use tools one would expect of them.

[Bonoki]

Bonoki is the one who started quoting and arguing with people first, and it was still silly arguments. "Picto is bad because Astrologians use cards and Bards use bows". Like that somehow makes Bards and Astrologian unique lol.

All 3 classes use tools one would expect of them.

Rather than arguing, I was engaged in civil debates. Furthermore, it's important not to misrepresent my words. I never labeled Pictomancer as 'bad'; rather, I simply stated that it didn't captivate me and elaborated on why that was the case. Additionally, I defended Bard and Astrologian by explaining why their whimsical animations recieved less scrutiny. While I recognize that my opinions may be unpopular, let's ensure that the initial message remains clear and accurately conveyed.

[Turtledeluxe]

Rather than arguing, I was engaged in civil debates. Furthermore, it's important not to misrepresent my words. I never labeled Pictomancer as 'bad'; rather, I simply stated that it didn't captivate me and elaborated on why that was the case. Additionally, I defended Bard and Astrologian by explaining why their whimsical animations recieved less scrutiny. While I recognize that my opinions may be unpopular, let's ensure that the initial message remains clear and accurately conveyed.

I'm happy to agree that you didn't literally use the word bad, but nonetheless my point to that user is that you were not being addressed in any particularly unusual way as they have clearly implied. I agree that the topic has been civil, I'm puzzled why they seem to disagree.

Also worth noting I was using the word argument more traditionally, not to denote anger. I'm trying to assess your various positions and ultimately they seem to boil down to personal preferences. What I'm really looking for ITT is something that proves Pictomancer is somehow a problem, but I haven't seen that from you or anyone.

I think with all animations on, many other jobs have actually problematic "compelling" abilities that make fights more challenging, whereas Pictomancer's seem cleaner. Interestingly it's the opposite of a problem in this sense.

[Aword3213]

Picto is a stand user. It’s not silly, it’s cool

[Mikey_R]

I just want to put my opinion on here to say that, at the moment, Pictomancer is going to be the caster I level first and do the role quests with.

I like the aesthetic and I hope I enjoy the gameplay so that I can have a caster I do enjoy playing whenever I feel like playing a caster.

[Eastwall]

I just want to put my opinion on here to say that, at the moment, Pictomancer is going to be the caster I level first and do the role quests with.

I like the aesthetic and I hope I enjoy the gameplay so that I can have a caster I do enjoy playing whenever I feel like playing a caster.

Same. I can't wait to wave that paintbrush with my lala. She is going to be so cute