SQEX Attempt to Eradicate "Foreigners" from JP Server by BLOCKING/Convolute PAYMENT.

[Dionysius]

The fact still stands that a lot of Tonberry/Kujata foreigners getting their subscription payment convoluted and some even straight up blocked. Their silent shows that this is 100% intended outcome they wanted.

The only fraud here is Sqex themselves.
Such a great beginning for a new fresh start for DT, trailer failed to hype, benchmark failed, payment failed, so much for a 10-Anniversary lmao.

[Jojoya]

The fact still stands that a lot of Tonberry/Kujata foreigners getting their subscription payment convoluted and some even straight up blocked. Their silent shows that this is 100% intended outcome they wanted.

The only fraud here is Sqex themselves.
Such a great beginning for a new fresh start for DT, trailer failed to hype, benchmark failed, payment failed, so much for a 10-Anniversary lmao.

Or it shows how many players on Tonberry/Kujata/etc. have been engaging in a form of fraud to get access to the game by providing false address information. Or how many of them are so poor at money management that they can't open an account with the major payment services that are being accepted by the new payment processor. After all, there are plenty of non-JP players on those worlds that are not being affected by this change.

If you're so convinced you're correct, why are you trying to continue to do business with a company that doesn't want your business? They're not providing any sort of essential service to you.

[Dionysius]

Or it shows how many players on Tonberry/Kujata/etc. have been engaging in a form of fraud to get access to the game by providing false address information. After all, there are plenty of non-JP players on those worlds that are not being affected by this change.

If you're so convinced you're correct, why are you trying to continue to do business with a company that doesn't want your business? They're not providing any sort of essential service to you.

I think that's very insulting if you think just because our countries is not registered you have the right to call us frauds.
And you're asking why I want to continue playing this game with DT at the corner? After I have 3000 days subscribed?

Why are you commenting here if it has nothing to do with you and I don't need your condescending and insulting tone? Is this what fuel your day and help you sleep at night?

[Jojoya]

I think that's very insulting if you think just because our countries is not registered you have the right to call us frauds.
And you're asking why I want to continue playing this game with DT in the corner? After I have 3000 days subscribed?

Why are you commenting here if it has nothing to do with you and I don't need your condescending and insulting tone? Is this what fuel your day and help you sleep at night?

You need to work on your English. I didn't call you frauds. I said some were engaging in a form of fraud.

The EULAs for each region spell out what countries a player can reside in to purchase a game license for that region. By accepting the EULA after installing the game and anytime we are required to reconfirm our acceptance of the EULA, you are intentionally misrepresenting yourself to get access to the game if you do not reside in one of the listed countries.

That is considered fraud. Something doesn't have to be criminal or financial in nature to be considered fraud.

Pointing out it is fraud has nothing to do with where those affected live or what I think of their personal character. There are all sorts of laws and regulations in every country around the world that interfere with the ability of businesses and consumers to freely work together. It would be nice if local governments would loosen up many of their restrictions to benefit all parties. But they aren't.

Businesses have their hands tied when local governments will not change.

Now I suggest that those affected take this up a notch since Support does not seem to be helpful here. If you have already pre-ordered and paid for Dawntrail, demand a refund if the payment method and address information you used is the same as the payment method and address information they are now refusing to accept. If it was valid and accepted for the pre-order, then it should be valid and accepted for the subscription renewal.

Failure to either issue the refund or correct the payment situation could be considered fraud on SE's part for taking money for a product then denying access to the service required to use that product when the same payment method is being used. That is going to create ugly publicity for SE regardless of what led up to this happening. It's still going to be an uphill battle for you if you're living in a country not listed in your game license's EULA but it has the potential to at least work because of the negative publicity it will generate.

Lmao, I'll go back to my cave once SQEX fix this shit.

In which case you'll be screaming into emptiness when your subscription runs out because there's a good chance that SE won't do anything here.

[Dionysius]

OP... i get it. It's frustrating. I am from SEA myself and I would like the experience to revert to what it used to but making threads like this isn't helping

Oh look someone from SEA too, apparently you're also a fraud and goddamn you're also poor for not being able to give money to Sqex according to this guy here.

Or it shows how many players on Tonberry/Kujata/etc. have been engaging in a form of fraud to get access to the game by providing false address information. Or how many of them are so poor at money management that they can't open an account with the major payment services that are being accepted by the new payment processor.

[Jojoya]

tell me how SEA players can have a legitimate address in their account if they don't live in EU/NA/JPN



so what do you suggest SEA players do to not commit address fraud?

That's the problem. Unless SE officially supports their home countries in one of the EULAs, the only way they can play is by committing fraud.

I'm not trying to claim anyone is a bad person for using a fake address or "borrowing" the address of an overseas friend. Gamers have been doing this for games not locally available to them for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if a large chunk of the NA player base is guilty of doing it for other JP games that are locked to JP only.

But it comes with risks and unfortunately we've hit a situation where the risk finally came back to bite people. I highly doubt that SE wants to be turning away the SEA players but they may be caught between a rock and a hard place thanks to all the card scams that were going on in 2021/2022 and whatever is keeping them from doing business in the SEA countries.

If none of the workarounds that still work for others are options that affected players can attempt, they may have to accept they're not going to be able to play the game anymore.

There is no need for this kind of dislike towards a certain group.

I don't have a dislike here for anyone except the OP and his massive conspiracy theory.

I'm honestly hoping that something gets worked out that will allow SEA players to continue to play. But there's the real chance that the situation won't improve. That the risk of trying to play from an unsupported country.

[hagare]

That's the problem. Unless SE officially supports their home countries in one of the EULAs, the only way they can play is by committing fraud.

I'm not trying to claim anyone is a bad person for using a fake address or "borrowing" the address of an overseas friend. Gamers have been doing this for games not locally available to them for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if a large chunk of the NA player base is guilty of doing it for other JP games that are locked to JP only.

But it comes with risks and unfortunately we've hit a situation where the risk finally came back to bite people. I highly doubt that SE wants to be turning away the SEA players but they may be caught between a rock and a hard place thanks to all the card scams that were going on in 2021/2022 and whatever is keeping them from doing business in the SEA countries.

If none of the workarounds that still work for others are options that affected players can attempt, they may have to accept they're not going to be able to play the game anymore.

So frauds and scammers.
And if you can't play it. Tough.

Oh well.
The icing on the cake will be if they cancel my DT pre-order lmao.
Damn it SE.

Not even sure what hagare's endgame there was or why he seemed to jump on you.
Everyone affected is going to be a bit heated.
I'm affected too and I'm in a supported country!

You just gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. People will find a way to pay for service.

I guess some people just don't like being called frauds.
Weird right *shrug*

[LianaThorne]

I'm not trying to claim anyone is a bad person for using a fake address or "borrowing" the address of an overseas friend. Gamers have been doing this for games not locally available to them for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if a large chunk of the NA player base is guilty of doing it for other JP games that are locked to JP only.

I think you probably mean China with this example as they actually require ID/a passport to access, at least in terms of gacha games. I can't really think of any JP based gacha games (or any recent JP games for that matter) that have forced me to verify my identity to play it. QooApp also exists globally to provide access to KR, TW, JP and a handful of CN based games (I forget if Traditional or Simplified is the easier version to get access to) to non-regional players. This is how I'm currently playing the KR version of Persona 5X for example while an English version is still in the works (which funnily enough just expanded their range of accepted forms of payment to include US credit cards and Google Pay (at launch it was just KR based payment methods) so they must be enjoying having people on the West playing their game lol).

[TheOperator3712]

I think you probably mean China with this example as they actually require ID/a passport to access, at least in terms of gacha games. I can't really think of any JP based gacha games (or any recent JP games for that matter) that have forced me to verify my identity to play it. QooApp also exists globally to provide access to KR, TW, JP and a handful of CN based games (I forget if Traditional or Simplified is the easier version to get access to) to non-regional players. This is how I'm currently playing the KR version of Persona 5X for example while an English version is still in the works (which funnily enough just expanded their range of accepted forms of payment to include US credit cards and Google Pay (at launch it was just KR based payment methods) so they must be enjoying having people on the West playing their game lol).

When I signed up for the JP version of PSO2 in 2012, I had to give them an address. So of course, I used the physical location of Sega of Japan like every other westerner without an address in Japan.

[Duskane]

When I signed up for the JP version of PSO2 in 2012, I had to give them an address. So of course, I used the physical location of Sega of Japan like every other westerner without an address in Japan.

you needed something similar for Monster Hunter frontier as well