Yo-Kai Event: BLU Major Griefing Problem

[ZiraZ]

This was already a problem the last time this event happened. They learned absolutely nothing from it.




People aren't free of responsibility if they willingly do this type of thing because they only think of themselves, that's a very immature way of thinking.
Exploiting features or tools you didn't create doesn't change the fact you're exploiting them.

I can't wait for the next event in Dawntrail, forum posters will claim Beastmasters are manipulating the backend FATE code.

[Aidorouge]

Between this and the Fall Guys event, I'm starting to think maybe it's better if they just merged the Dynamis server into the other ones, because it seems our "identity" at this point is just to be used and mocked.

[Nyxs]

People saying they need to fix it. There isn’t anything to fix. BLU only get a few things to exceed in,this is one of them.

[VerdeLuck]

I really don't think people want to die on the hill of "if I can do it in game it should be 100% allowed" because that's how you get SE to severely nerf BLU so they can't grief in events ever again.

besides there are plenty of things that you can do in game that are still banned and you shouldn't do. you could rescue grab a random person and pull them into an instant kill aoe, but you're going to get banned for it. You could bait a monster into killing someone in Eureka and refuse to rez them so they have to delevel and slow their progress in the content, you are going to get punished for it though.
you could shirk a healer and get them killed but you're going to get punished for it.

I mean, if you guys want SE to put all the guard rails up and make it so you absolutely could never ever grief another player in game even if you tried they might be happy to oblige but you should be aware what you're getting yourself into.

[ZiraZ]

I really don't think people want to die on the hill of "if I can do it in game it should be 100% allowed" because that's how you get SE to severely nerf BLU so they can't grief in events ever again.

besides there are plenty of things that you can do in game that are still banned and you shouldn't do. you could rescue grab a random person and pull them into an instant kill aoe, but you're going to get banned for it. You could bait a monster into killing someone in Eureka and refuse to rez them so they have to delevel and slow their progress in the content, you are going to get punished for it though.
you could shirk a healer and get them killed but you're going to get punished for it.

I mean, if you guys want SE to put all the guard rails up and make it so you absolutely could never ever grief another player in game even if you tried they might be happy to oblige but you should be aware what you're getting yourself into.

Do you have any evidence blu mages are out there just 1 shotting bosses to grief people?
Doing something to maliciously kill a player is not the same as speeding up a farm.
If I see my entire party got the tag I'm killing it, no reason to wait for the entire datacenter to arrive when I don't even know when they are.
Parties are constantly being created and disbanded, keeping a giant multi-party blob grouped up is not feasible, it's normal for parties to go all over the place out of a loop.

[Sesera]

Do you have any evidence blu mages are out there just 1 shotting bosses to grief people?
Doing something to maliciously kill a player is not the same as speeding up a farm.
If I see my entire party got the tag I'm killing it, no reason to wait for the entire datacenter to arrive when I don't even know when they are.
Parties are constantly being created and disbanded, keeping a giant multi-party blob grouped up is not feasible, it's normal for parties to go all over the place out of a loop.

If someone parks their car in front of yours and you can't leave you don't care if the guy is doing it because he is a prick or just because he is naturally a jerk. You want him to get his car out of the way and not doing that ever again.

That the same for blue we don't care why he is making us missing the fate we want him to stop doing it.

[ZiraZ]

If someone parks their car in front of yours and you can't leave you don't care if the guy is doing it because he is a prick or just because he is naturally a jerk. You want him to get his car out of the way and not doing that ever again.

That the same for blue we don't care why he is making us missing the fate we want him to stop doing it.

Nobody is on your way, you are free to speed up.
BLU doesn't have a teleport to fate spell (yet).

[Reinha]

besides there are plenty of things that you can do in game that are still banned and you shouldn't do. you could rescue grab a random person and pull them into an instant kill aoe, but you're going to get banned for it. You could bait a monster into killing someone in Eureka and refuse to rez them so they have to delevel and slow their progress in the content, you are going to get punished for it though.
you could shirk a healer and get them killed but you're going to get punished for it.

Yes, you are describing someone targeting another player just to maliciously bully them and spoil their game on purpose. That's not what BLUs are doing. Doing content with a class designed to excel at that content to get rewards out of that same content is not griefing. Just like playing an overpowered job in PvP and stopping other people from getting wins isn't griefing, it's how you get your own rewards. The same way spawning and engaging an S rank where a newbie is mining ore and gets killed, isn't griefing, because there is no malice behind it and it happens as a result of people playing open world content in the same space.

[Ardeth]

Yes, you are describing someone targeting another player just to maliciously bully them and spoil their game on purpose. That's not what BLUs are doing. Doing content with a class designed to excel at that content to get rewards out of that same content is not griefing. Just like playing an overpowered job in PvP and stopping other people from getting wins isn't griefing, it's how you get your own rewards. The same way spawning and engaging an S rank where a newbie is mining ore and gets killed, isn't griefing, because there is no malice behind it and it happens as a result of people playing open world content in the same space.

In a competitive atmosphere, almost nothing can be considered griefing, and it becomes cheating more than anything. This is PvE. But willingly acting in a way that obstructs someone else's play can be. Sure, it has to be malicious, but I would argue you can see people struggling to keep up. They might even complain about it in chat. If you take that knowledge and still continue to nuke FATEs so you can get yours and screw everybody else, when does it become malicious? If you're the one struggling for whatever reason, maybe you don't have Blue leveled, or you don't want to be an jerk you tend to see that player interaction as negative at the very least. So, are you doing it maliciously to me? I would think so if it were me. Granted, I'm just swimming and not causing a bother, but at least to me, these players know what they're doing. They're griefing. If it was some miraculous accident, sure, but you'd have to be pretty disingenuous to believe that everyone who is nuking FATEs is innocent despite how it's affecting everyone else. And at that point, it's being done with intent. It's up to a person to person basis to see if there's any malice behind it, but if human nature is anything but predictable there's at least someone who's getting their rocks off ruining the experience of others which in that case by definition is griefing.

But I'm not a rules lawer or a real one, so grain of salt, but to me, it's griefing if you willingly know and participate in doing it.

[Reinha]

Sure, it has to be malicious, but I would argue you can see people struggling to keep up. They might even complain about it in chat. If you take that knowledge and still continue to nuke FATEs so you can get yours and screw everybody else, when does it become malicious?

Sometimes during an A rank train there is so much congestion people's teleports start failing and people kill the A ranks in the next zone without waiting for those who were left behind. That's not griefing either. The people who did manage to move to the next zone are not preventing others from doing the content; the ones unable to teleport can hunt when there is less congestion or they can try to be faster. The exact same applies here.

Complaining about missing out is valid, but missing out doesn't give someone the right to dictate how fast others are killing objectives for their own rewards. Trying to enforce a play style is against the rules.

When does it become malicious? If you see BLUs killing fates and they aren't in need of xp, don't have a minion out and aren't wearing a Yokai watch, there is reason to suspect they are doing it to grief.