Boring design

[AmiableApkallu]

What are we rphys supposed to do sadge

Get the mobs and adds that the melee cannot physically get to or reach.

(If mobs being on the other side of a pit or flying off the ground were actually things and mattered, for example. Perhaps along the lines of the second boss's minions in Dzemael Darkhold.)

[Valence]

The phys ranged have options if square ever leant into them properly, either as different flavours of DPS or true support if square would ever allow that to be a proper category

MCH being the “off shield healer” really isn’t the sort of direction I think phys ranged should go in

I do agree in spirit. However this would require an extensive rework of the whole battle system. I do hope someday this will happen (copium).

They can focus more on their intended gimmicks: DNC with their partners, MCH with their Automatons, BRDs, I think, should be the exception.

What do those gimmicks mean in terms of role identity?

You always claim that you hate that removed true pets from the game (I feel you, I was a MCH main with a pet lite to manage). If you remove us our current non support options, then what's left? Not that our current support actually matters anyway to begin with, i'll grant you that, but that just goes to show in which sorry state this role has been since ShB got introduced.

Get the mobs and adds that the melee cannot physically get to or reach.

(If mobs being on the other side of a pit or flying off the ground were actually things and mattered, for example. Perhaps along the lines of the second boss's minions in Dzemael Darkhold.)

I like this idea actually, although it could cause problems once the meeles are done with their side and are twiddling their thumbs waiting for the ranged people to do their part. Having a grappling hook on cooldown (like Blota) could be interesting perhaps.

I feel like there is a lot of potential to be had around ranged jobs having a lot of line AoEs (very long ones) that are able to hit the main pack and whatever stands far behind, or similar things. But that's beyond the OP here anyway.

[rawker]

What do those gimmicks mean in terms of role identity?

You always claim that you hate that removed true pets from the game (I feel you, I was a MCH main with a pet lite to manage). If you remove us our current non support options, then what's left? Not that our current support actually matters anyway to begin with, i'll grant you that, but that just goes to show in which sorry state this role has been since ShB got introduced.

Don't get me wrong. I only responded to a hypothetical situation where Troubadour/Tactician/Shield Samba are to be removed should raidwide mitigation has become healer-exclusive. That's why I also mentioned that BRD should be excluded since of all the 3 Ranged DPS, BRD has been the party buffer. It's not that I would like those removed.

[Rozeee]

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Unfortunately p.ranged is kind of stuck in the same design purgatory that healer exists in. They removed some of the older complexities that your job offered (Mage's and Army's restoring MP and TP) but didn't put anything in its place. So now the only defining characteristic for p.ranged is free mobility. It would be fine if encounters actually take advantage of this (think T7 Renaud kiting), but in EW savage you're just a 1% bonus doing the same thing a caster does but on the left side instead. Knowing the job changes recently though, you'll probably get another apex arrow finisher or empyreal arrow vfx update and they'll call it a day.