Boring design

[Supersnow845]

Let's not pretend that shake it off and divine veil, even with the initial heal, were particularly useful against any bleedwide in abyssos. Let's also not pretend that dark knight wasn't insanely overtuned defensively and offensively in asphodelos and abyssos. This seems a bit like a lack of communication or forethought between the raid and job design teams. That said, the reluctance on the dev's part to be perceived to nerf things does not help at all, especially with the all comps are viable/accessibility angle they seem to have adopted. I am also skeptical that utility heavy bursty tanks can be appropriately balanced with how much swing raid buff stacking carries.

Benewhetting only really applies during dungeons, which does not seem to be the focus of balancing. Nonetheless I would rather nascent put back to shb and benewhetting changed to just temphp and mit or shield and mit. edit: To say the quiet part aloud, no matter which tank you have, they shouldn't be struggling in any way shape or form in expert dungeons.

That’s the point though, the raidwide mitigations were meant to have upsides and downsides

The magical mitigations are explicitly designed to be better at bleedwides and multihit raidwides (like terminal relativity), while the shields are Omni mitigation that doesn’t suffer from diminishing returns but once they crack they are gone

The only real problem with the communication was block not blocking bleeds so PLD just got shredded, DRK Having higher defence at the expense of sustain and having the arguably weaker type of mitigation is totally fine, it’s having upsides and downsides for different tanks

Benewhetting only applies in dungeons but bloodwhetting still heals for 1000 healer potency per activation of bloodwhetting plus all its other heals, it’s not like it’s remotely balanced (the magic healing combo combined with holy Shelton is arguably no better)

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That’s the point though, the raidwide mitigations were meant to have upsides and downsides

The magical mitigations are explicitly designed to be better at bleedwides and multihit raidwides (like terminal relativity), while the shields are Omni mitigation that doesn’t suffer from diminishing returns but once they crack they are gone

The only real problem with the communication was block not blocking bleeds so PLD just got shredded, DRK Having higher defence at the expense of sustain and having the arguably weaker type of mitigation is totally fine, it’s having upsides and downsides for different tanks

Benewhetting only applies in dungeons but bloodwhetting still heals for 1000 healer potency per activation of bloodwhetting plus all its other heals, it’s not like it’s remotely balanced (the magic healing combo combined with holy Shelton is arguably no better)

I have looked at some logs and changed my mind. DPS should have no access to feint/addle/uniquename, mitigation should be done entirely by the tank because the red guys can't be trusted.

[Supersnow845]

I have looked at some logs and changed my mind. DPS should have no access to feint/addle/uniquename, mitigation should be done entirely by the tank because the red guys can't be trusted.

Raidwide mitigation should be the purview of the shield healer with single target mitigation being the purview of the tanks (mostly for themselves)

The tanks already have too much raidwide responsibility for the role that is least affected by raidwides

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Raidwide mitigation should be the purview of the shield healer with single target mitigation being the purview of the tanks (mostly for themselves)

The tanks already have too much raidwide responsibility for the role that is lead affected by raidwides

Tank limit break is a raidwide mitigation. I don't care if party mitigation is split between healers and tanks as long as the damn button is actually pressed at an appropriate point.

[Valence]

Raidwide mitigation should be the purview of the shield healer with single target mitigation being the purview of the tanks (mostly for themselves)

The tanks already have too much raidwide responsibility for the role that is least affected by raidwides

What are we rphys supposed to do sadge

[Supersnow845]

What are we rphys supposed to do sadge

The phys ranged have options if square ever leant into them properly, either as different flavours of DPS or true support if square would ever allow that to be a proper category

MCH being the “off shield healer” really isn’t the sort of direction I think phys ranged should go in

[rawker]

What are we rphys supposed to do sadge

They can focus more on their intended gimmicks: DNC with their partners, MCH with their Automatons, BRDs, I think, should be the exception.

[ty_taurus]

They can focus more on their intended gimmicks: DNC with their partners, MCH with their Automatons, BRDs, I think, should be the exception.

Personally, I wish physical ranged DPS focused more on their main strength which is mobility. Back in Ramuh EX, having a bard was very important because they could very easily move from the edge of the arena into the center without disrupting their DPS. Why this was so important was because being all the way at the edge of the arena allowed them to bait every instance of charm while the rest of the team didn't have to worry about their positioning in that regard. Why aren't fights designed to have mechanics where having one person bait something while on the move? Like what if there was an object that you could pick up or pass to a party member simply by moving over it/them, and regularly, the boss will target that with chasing AOEs. If it gets hit, it explodes dealing massive damage to the party, but the physical ranged DPS can pick it up and run it around, avoiding the AOEs without dropping DPS. That would be something catered especially to their strength in the fight itself.

[rawker]

Personally, I wish physical ranged DPS focused more on their main strength which is mobility. Back in Ramuh EX, having a bard was very important because they could very easily move from the edge of the arena into the center without disrupting their DPS. Why this was so important was because being all the way at the edge of the arena allowed them to bait every instance of charm while the rest of the team didn't have to worry about their positioning in that regard. Why aren't fights designed to have mechanics where having one person bait something while on the move? Like what if there was an object that you could pick up or pass to a party member simply by moving over it/them, and regularly, the boss will target that with chasing AOEs. If it gets hit, it explodes dealing massive damage to the party, but the physical ranged DPS can pick it up and run it around, avoiding the AOEs without dropping DPS. That would be something catered especially to their strength in the fight itself.

This can only be done when the boss' hitbox no longer cover the entire arena.. As we speak, melees are punching the air so the so-called mobility advantages of ranged physical is no more than a myth

[Valence]

Personally, I wish physical ranged DPS focused more on their main strength which is mobility. Back in Ramuh EX, having a bard was very important because they could very easily move from the edge of the arena into the center without disrupting their DPS. Why this was so important was because being all the way at the edge of the arena allowed them to bait every instance of charm while the rest of the team didn't have to worry about their positioning in that regard. Why aren't fights designed to have mechanics where having one person bait something while on the move? Like what if there was an object that you could pick up or pass to a party member simply by moving over it/them, and regularly, the boss will target that with chasing AOEs. If it gets hit, it explodes dealing massive damage to the party, but the physical ranged DPS can pick it up and run it around, avoiding the AOEs without dropping DPS. That would be something catered especially to their strength in the fight itself.

I've always asked for more of this since forever. Fights before ShB actually took advantage of this. Not quite enough, but some of them did, like O11S during pantokrator baits, or still O11S again for Blaster bait with PLD cover (did I say how O11S is one of the best savage designs they have ever come with in terms of different tactics people could bring in?).