Marking People In PvP

[Jessica_VS]

I witnessed an amusing argument in the Frontline roulette today. Some guy trying to lead (I guess?) kept placing the triangle marker icon on some other guy. The marked guy apparently did not want this mark and took it off, saying he didn't want to be marked. The "leader" marked him again. They got into an argument over the marking icon which persisted throughout the entire match.

While this was hilarious to observe, it made me wonder--I'm guessing there's no way to prevent yourself from being marked if you do not wish to be?

[Canadane]

Indeed there is no way to hide yourself from being marked other than not being in that party (or alliance I guess if it's pvp).
I can mark anyone I walk across anything I want. They won't see it unless they're in a party with me.

[Cidel]

I'm guessing the one being marked was some random DRK, and the person trying to lead assumed that said individual was going to be a pro-initiator with the DRK jump/draw-in.

I see people randomly mark DRKs throughout the alliance... It's funny when said DRKs don't do anything and clearly don't know what they're doing. There seems to be this stigma in many cases thanks to the DRK premade meta where people coming on DRK are expected to lead the alliance and function in that capacity for the rest of the alliance. Can't say I envy them. Mind you, this isn't all the time, but I see it often enough.

[Mawlzy]

I witnessed an amusing argument in the Frontline roulette today. Some guy trying to lead (I guess?) kept placing the triangle marker icon on some other guy. The marked guy apparently did not want this mark and took it off, saying he didn't want to be marked. The "leader" marked him again. They got into an argument over the marking icon which persisted throughout the entire match.

While this was hilarious to observe, it made me wonder--I'm guessing there's no way to prevent yourself from being marked if you do not wish to be?

I'll sometimes drop a triangle on a random DRK in the hope they're competent. At the least it provides the possibility the team might stick together. Equally, if they remove it, that's fair enough. I'm not dropping it on them again.

[Aravell]

It's not just DRKs that people mark. I've occasionally seen people troll the alliance by marking a random person with the sprout or returner symbol, because they find it funny when the entire alliance follows a clueless sprout.

[OliviaLugria]

Really, if the person wanted to be marked, they would probably mark themselves. If you want to mark a dark, you should probably ask first.

[Scintilla]

I'm guessing the one being marked was some random DRK, and the person trying to lead assumed that said individual was going to be a pro-initiator with the DRK jump/draw-in.

I see people randomly mark DRKs throughout the alliance... It's funny when said DRKs don't do anything and clearly don't know what they're doing. There seems to be this stigma in many cases thanks to the DRK premade meta where people coming on DRK are expected to lead the alliance and function in that capacity for the rest of the alliance. Can't say I envy them. Mind you, this isn't all the time, but I see it often enough.

There is a world of difference between commanding and just wearing a mark to make you a bit easier to see for those who do want to make use of anything you voke. Just because you wear a mark for the latter, it doesn't mean you have to take complete responsibility for the former. Yes, sometimes it is a total waste of time when you mark a DRK and they spend the entire game just destroying ice and don't voke a single player at all. It can often work the opposite way too: a DRK will mark themselves to make them and their vokes easier to see, only for the rest of the team to completely ignore it. Sadly, that's just how it goes with some random matches and the lack of teamwork within random teams is one thing contributing towards the huge imbalances in some games.

Though if they've marked someone and that person has removed it themselves, then I wouldn't mark them again - it's obvious they don't want it, they aren't going to keep it (even if it would do a bit to help the team), and it will likely just lead to an even more unhelpful and distracting argument.

[Mawlzy]

Huh, it's weird that there's no way to prevent oneself from being marked, though I suppose the expectation is for everyone in a party/alliance to be working together rather than getting into fights about marks.

The whole affair was hilarious because I have: A, never seen someone so adamant about not being marked before; B, never seen someone so adamant about marking somebody else before. They spent the entire match yelling at each other and marking and unmarking each other. Somehow the team still came into second place.

Marking wars can definitely break out. I've even seen a commander claim in chat that their waymark was being removed, although I don't see how that is actually possible. I think what it boils down to is a culture war between those who want to see FL as a highly-organized, commander-driven exercise, and those who prefer something more chaotic. That said, while I'm mostly in the latter camp, I wouldn't get involved in these marker shenanigans.

[Mawlzy]

Really, if the person wanted to be marked, they would probably mark themselves. If you want to mark a dark, you should probably ask first.

But you've trained everyone so well to follow their DRK!

Fair point, though. About my 5th game as WAR someone dropped a marker on me, so I just told them I had no idea what I was doing. They responded I was the only WAR we had.

[OliviaLugria]

But you've trained everyone so well to follow their DRK!

Fair point, though. About my 5th game as WAR someone dropped a marker on me, so I just told them I had no idea what I was doing. They responded I was the only WAR we had.

Their reasoning doesn't seem sound. Putting a marker on someone who can't or won't lead just seems like a recipe for disaster