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    Quote Originally Posted by Taliriah View Post
    Seems robust. RMT spammers would never be able to work around that.
    Not sure if sarcasm, but your post reads like it. If you are being sarcastic, it's not about making a system impervious to RMT (though that would be fantastic). It's about making playing the game better for players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fhqwghads View Post
    Not sure if sarcasm, but your post reads like it. If you are being sarcastic, it's not about making a system impervious to RMT (though that would be fantastic). It's about making playing the game better for players.
    Obviously it was sarcastic, and my point is that such a filter would be worked around so fast that there would be no perceptible improvement.
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    The problem is, with those filters/regexes you would only get the advertisement spammers. But banning them will not really improve anything. Because you can spawn new advertisement accounts without any costs. A trial account is enough to do that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Larirawiel View Post
    The problem is, with those filters/regexes you would only get the advertisement spammers. But banning them will not really improve anything. Because you can spawn new advertisement accounts without any costs. A trial account is enough to do that.
    The regex would catch new accounts as soon as they're spammed. It's not like the regex evaporates as soon as it matches text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fhqwghads View Post
    The regex would catch new accounts as soon as they're spammed. It's not like the regex evaporates as soon as it matches text.
    The spammers still would do that, unfortunately. Even if they could spam only one time. :/

    Quote Originally Posted by Fhqwghads View Post
    How often do you think that would happen?
    Very often. I know already 7 people who got their Discord accounts stolen due some very primitve phishing attempts. I did not imagine, that it is possible, that someone falls into that. But it happens. :/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Larirawiel View Post
    The spammers still would do that, unfortunately. Even if they could spam only one time. :/



    Very often. I know already 7 people who got their Discord accounts stolen due some very primitve phishing attempts. I did not imagine, that it is possible, that someone falls into that. But it happens. :/


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    I've heard of at least 3 happening in the past week just on Discord. It happens regularly on 14 if we look at how many people were falling for the "gil giveaway" scams lol.

    Dunno how it happens either but people are just gullible I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larirawiel View Post
    The spammers still would do that, unfortunately. Even if they could spam only one time. :/
    Either way you slice it, it would be a huge reduction in spam and effort on the player's part to report and BL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taliriah View Post
    Obviously it was sarcastic, and my point is that such a filter would be worked around so fast that there would be no perceptible improvement.
    It's simple to adapt the regex to match new RMT string permutations. All SE has to do is make it a plain old text file that's read by the server every few minutes to keep the regex fresh and up to date.

    Instead of making baseless accusations of ineffectiveness or potential for abuse, how about offer up suggestions or prove that what I submitted in the OP won't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fhqwghads View Post
    If the regex detects this string, more than 10 people report & blacklist the account and the account is 3 months old or less, the system automatically suspend it.
    How do you know the system doesn't already work something like this? I mean, I report an account (I don't bother with the blacklist), and I never hear from it again. :shrug:
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    Using regex can be messy for games with player bases as big as we have. What about other languages? How would you filter to keep common phrases out of the pulls? What about when the gil traders mode their phrases a bit to keep you guessing (instead of saying gil, like saying bread for example), would your system account for that as well and keep regular players out of the net? What about private messages?

    What about the time investment for SE to check the logs for banned people that wanted checks (not all of them would be legit). How long would regular players who were wrongly banned players need to/expected to wait? Every single case would be some time to determine the resolutions and even if there was someone who could do it stupid quick, it stacks up real fast.

    We have already seen in other games (and this one) how players can abuse systems similar to this. If you don't like someone and want them gone, this could be a weapon.

    Really, I think this system has too many holes using as a good blanket. I am not sure if there is a "perfect" answer for RMT past "Don't buy it". Supply and demand is a real thing.
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