Healing Focus or DPS Focus

[ThorneDynasty]

The difference is that tank have very few tanking ogcd compared to how many healing skills we have.
Which I suppose is part of their reasoning, "you got 20+ healing skills, we aim at 23-24 skills overall, so you only have 3 dps skills, 5 if you're a sage because you need to run that Kardia".

However, what saddens me is that much could be done by adding only 2-3 dps skills and tying things more neatly together, by removing / revamping existing skills in order to keep that ~24 active skills target.

And if keeping 22-24 skills is of utmost importance to them, I feel some sacrifice on the healing front (simplification) wouldn't be so dramatic...
For instance, like... I don't know, making medicaII/aspected helios devolve into medica/helios if cast in succession. Sure, there are situation where you'd actually want the extra 100 potency now rather than the HoT. But overall, in most situation where you'd actually cast 2 medica in a row, you would do MedicaII > MedicaI. So loosing access to MedicaI alone wouldn't be so bad if it means getting a new dps skill.

I mean if you really break it down healing-wise, what does a healing kit actually need?

A single target heal and a party heal, and either a shield/regen version of both depending on flavor (and mind you, both shield healers manage that with just 3 buttons.)

Then of course you need some flavor and big heals and mitigation, sure, but it's insane how much overlap there is that doesn't really add anything unique to the jobs. Stuff you could easily consolidate by making resources build up faster and cooldowns shorter, or combining buff effects.

WHM might be the worst offender. Tetra is basically doing the exact same job Afflatus does. And you practically never use Medica/Cure II when Afflatus is available, so why keep those as separate buttons? And what's the point of Cure III and Medica separation now that SE has basically given up on demanding players to pay any attention to positioning? You can tell they want to keep buffing Cure III range all the way up to 15y, but I guess that would force them to ask themselves hard questions about their design ideas, so it has to stay a bit less than Medica just to justify neglecting healers. Also, 3 separate self-buffs? 4 if you count Indulgence, which is just a glorified heal buff. 5 if you count Asylum - Otherwise a completely pointless extra HoT now that ground target zone is the size of the entire arena. And just like AST, a single target off-global shield on top of a single target mitigation. It's not even a shield healer, why does it need both and as different buttons?

[Supersnow845]

WHM is strangely the most and the least bloated healer

It has the least number of buttons but it also has the most buttons that really don’t do anything to justify their existence or overlap with other superior buttons

Cure 2 and medica 1 could upgrade to solace and rapture with a lily, aquaveil and bension could be a single button that does both or delete one and just have one effect or the other, asylum is almost redundant these days, tetra is useless, benediction is nice to have but not remotely necessary for anything and is rarely planned around. POM is a fun burst button counterpart to ley lines but doesn’t actually do anything interesting, temperance doesn’t really need its healing up but I mean it’s fine, honestly you could halve temperance’s CD and delete plenary and you achieve about the same thing

Honestly if you cut WHM back to

Cure 2/solace
Medica 1/rapture
Medica 2
Cure 3
Aquaveil
Lilybell
Temperance on a 1 minute CD
Regen

It would still function 99.9% the same as it does now

[rawker]

Hmm.. what if they just add an effect to Cure 2 and Medica where it becomes Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Rapture if there is a lily stack.

[Aravell]

Proven how? I'm the one with the harshest opinion of expanded DPS kits in this thread and I'm indifferent toward them unless they suck.

I've never seen you say a single positive word about damage kits, you've really only said stuff about how they're tedious. You've only really been either negative or slightly negative towards damage kit expansion, not indifferent like you said. Meanwhile, most everyone who wants a better damage kit has been entirely positive about increasing healing requirements.

Sure, you're not completely denying it, but you're not open to it either.

[Sylvain]

WHM is strangely the most and the least bloated healer

It has the least number of buttons but it also has the most buttons that really don’t do anything to justify their existence or overlap with other superior buttons

That's also kind of how I see it...

POM is a fun burst button counterpart to ley lines but doesn’t actually do anything interesting

See, in the healer wishlist, I suggested that PoM could grant blood lilly whenever you'd cast Glare. Without suggesting this to be an amazing idea, I feel like just adding new effects to some existing skills could help make our dps less boring.

Because if adding button is really the one thing they want to avoid... many things could be done just by adding effects, something like:
Get a blood lilly everytime you cast glare, holyIII or Dia while affected by PoM, up to 6 blood lilly
Every 5 cast of Glare or Dia, HolyIII becomes HolyII which is instant and deal about 50% more damage than Glare. (Add a flower effect to the jauge gauge, blooming as we glare)
Casting Assize grants one charge of HolyII for 15s.
Whenever Dia expires, your next HolyII is a crit

Like, it's not much, it isn't ground breaking or anything, but it would make things more dynamic and it effectively cost 0 new skills.

[hunter2]

Hmm.. what if they just add an effect to Cure 2 and Medica where it becomes Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Rapture if there is a lily stack.

I think that's a good idea, and I've proposed it elsewhere. There are valid objections though; in some situations (particularly in ults) you want to hold a lily so that you can Rapture while moving during an upcoming mechanic, but you also need to heal the tank now - so you Cure II the tank instead of using Solace on them. Nuanced gameplay like that would unfortunately be lost by button consolidation.

[ThorneDynasty]

If that's what passes for nuanced gameplay for healers, I'd gladly exchange it for a more involved DPS kit (that would probably include movement utility anyway).

[Allegor]

I mentioned a while back that despite being against further role/job homogenization, WHM would really benefit from having their own Eukrasia system, since Solace and Rapture are quite literally just instant cast Cure II and Medica, even having the same potencies. Maybe even have Holy turn into Misery, that'd be 3 less buttons to worry about.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Hmm.. what if they just add an effect to Cure 2 and Medica where it becomes Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Rapture if there is a lily stack.

Scenarios like P7S purgation phase kinda makes me thankful they're separate buttons. But then, that sort of scenario doesn't happen too often either.

I do want a better reason to be given if the WHM chooses to save their lilies... like how I personally would revamp them in one of my older post here

[Ramiee]

No. Not Dissipation. It has its use. Aetherpact, Summon Seraph, Fey Blessing are good candidates for removal..

Edit.. to some extent, even Physick can be removed in favor of a potency boost to Embrace.

i dont like Dissipation. I would rather it goes and the Fairy gains its flavour back because the fairy is the most unique element of scholar. Im not gonna get into it because this isn't a thread about what i want for scholar but lets just say I want the fairy to be literally our main focus when it comes to healing.