Healing Focus or DPS Focus

[Aravell]

I find it interesting that all arguments against any sort of change to the damage kit can be boiled down to "but my dps".

People have become so intoxicated by how easy healing is that they cannot accept that they sometimes have to sacrifice damage to do the only job they're in the party for.

If the general community sentiment is "I don't want to lose damage for any reason, I want to do my main job completely for free despite any situation.", then I can see why the dev team is stuck on designing healers in more creative ways. The only design that can fit that kind of sentiment is what we have now, spam one button with 1 weave slot and any GCD spells will be damage neutral, so that's just what we're going to be stuck with.

[Osmond]

I find it interesting that all arguments against any sort of change to the damage kit can be boiled down to "but my dps".

People have become so intoxicated by how easy healing is that they cannot accept that they sometimes have to sacrifice damage to do the only job they're in the party for.

If the general community sentiment is "I don't want to lose damage for any reason, I want to do my main job completely for free despite any situation.", then I can see why the dev team is stuck on designing healers in more creative ways. The only design that can fit that kind of sentiment is what we have now, spam one button with 1 weave slot and any GCD spells will be damage neutral, so that's just what we're going to be stuck with.

That’s what I conclude, reading many forum posts. Every response ppl want for healers is more DPS buttons, on top of healing buttons. Ogcds are boring, but don’t add too much gcds cause it’ll sacrifice healing dps so it ends up a dumpster fire. I mean, you got Sage…SAGE, the team giving ppl what they ask for…NOPE. You throw your hands up.

[Katish]

That’s what I conclude, reading many forum posts. Every response ppl want for healers is more DPS buttons, on top of healing buttons. Ogcds are boring, but don’t add too much gcds cause it’ll sacrifice healing dps so it ends up a dumpster fire. I mean, you got Sage…SAGE, the team giving ppl what they ask for…NOPE. You throw your hands up.

SGE isn't even a dps healer, that's a facade...it has about the same rotation as the rest of the healers with really no change. If it had some variations in a rotation, then it could be but that is strictly not the case. SGE is basically the response if I said look at the three healers, become mostly SCH but take some aspects from WHM and AST. It's a cookie cutter job, people did not want a cookie cutter job; they wanted SGE to be its own job, the DPS healer.

[currentlemon]

SGE isn't even a dps healer, that's a facade...it has about the same rotation as the rest of the healers with really no change. If it had some variations in a rotation, then it could be but that is strictly not the case. SGE is basically the response if I said look at the three healers, become mostly SCH but take some aspects from WHM and AST. It's a cookie cutter job, people did not want a cookie cutter job; they wanted SGE to be its own job, the DPS healer.

This is correct. SGE is basically taking mechanics from the other three Jobs, mostly from SCH, and it resulted it a half baked Job that failed to live up to the expectations.

I'll say it again as loud as I can be: SGE is NOT the DPS Healer job that was promised!!!

Though I am cautiously optimistic that we'll get a slight course correction in DT.

[currentlemon]

That’s what I conclude, reading many forum posts. Every response ppl want for healers is more DPS buttons, on top of healing buttons. Ogcds are boring, but don’t add too much gcds cause it’ll sacrifice healing dps so it ends up a dumpster fire. I mean, you got Sage…SAGE, the team giving ppl what they ask for…NOPE. You throw your hands up.

I wouldn’t call Sage the DPS healer that people were asking for. It’s still has the one button issue that all healers have and some of its kit is too similar to SCH.

If we are talking about PvP SGE, then yea, I can agree to that in some extent.

[Osmond]

I wouldn’t call Sage the DPS healer that people were asking for. It’s still has the one button issue that all healers have and some of its kit is too similar to SCH.

If we are talking about PvP SGE, then yea, I can agree to that in some extent.

………So, let me get this straight. …it doesn’t matter if a healer has many dps oGCDs, all that matters is that 1, single button?

[WaxSw]

………So, let me get this straight. …it doesn’t matter if a healer has many dps oGCDs, all that matters is that 1, single button?

What matters is the rotation. If the rotation is still 1 button spam then it doesn't matter if you call it the dps healer, the tank healer or the healer healer, its the same as the rest. Sge failed to be the dps healer when its dps rotation is largely the same as the other 3

[AmiableApkallu]

What matters is the rotation. If the rotation is still 1 button spam then it doesn't matter if you call it the dps healer, the tank healer or the healer healer, its the same as the rest. Sge failed to be the dps healer when its dps rotation is largely the same as the other 3

Let's be clear: None of the healers should be consigned to 1 button spam.

[WaxSw]

I don’t see them changing it…….unless it involves re-working all healing jobs. Many potency trade offs, many oGCD changes, then the fight design from each fight to make sense. Too much work, time, money to make it happen.

Except we had it in the past and it worked just fine without needing an actual rework. Considering that we spend most of our time as healers dpsing, an increase in dps options would be by far the least invasive change the devs can do if they want to improve the role, let alone how is also the cheapest one as is one approach that works from the low end content to the highest end without actually needing to touch those fights in significant ways, or at all.

Let's be clear: None of the healers should be consigned to 1 button spam.

Yes, I agree. I just wanted to point out why Sage is NOT the dps healer regardless of what SE marketing says

[currentlemon]

………So, let me get this straight. …it doesn’t matter if a healer has many dps oGCDs, all that matters is that 1, single button?

Huh? The only oGCD DPS ability that SGE has Pneuma. Aside from Dosis and Dyskrasia, Toxikon II and Phlegma are the only remaining DPS abilities. They are not oGCD spells. Toxikon II is on PvP, but not on PvE. And you need an Addersting stack to use it. Phlegma is a GCD ability that has multiple charges, but each charge has a long 40sec cooldown.

Toxikon II isn't worth using in SGE's rotation because doing so requires that you cast SGE's GCD Shield Heal, which is a DPS loss on single target. Said shield will also have to break so that you can gain Addersting stack necessary for you to cast the spell. Really, the only time you need to use Toxikon is during mob pulls in dungeons, where it could potentially be a DPS gain and gaining Addersting stacks is much easier.

SE Tried to buff the spell throughout the entire expansion, but because SGE's GCD healing isn't worth doing most of the time, especially in dungeon bosses and raid fights, there's little to no reason to fish for the Addersting stacks that are needed to cast Toxikon.

WHM had this problem too at the start of 6.0 with Afflatus Misery being a DPS loss, but they fixed it on the 6.1 patch, making it damage neutral.