Healing Focus or DPS Focus

[Allegor]

I...was actually making fun of dots being "stressful" lol

I do like the idea of shorter, yet stronger dots tho. As it is right now I think a whole duration is only worth ~2 Glares or so? so it feels really weak, if not pointless unless you're chasing parses.

[rawker]

Not directing my statement to you though.. I kinda know where your stance is. I wish SCH also gets back to its DoT roots.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Sorry. They're taking away DoT because the game can't handle more debuffs/buffs.

Also them: adds RPR's death design and somehow leaves odd DoT buttons like Sonic Break & Bow Shock untouched.

:diesalittleinside:

[rawker]

Yikes. That's a terrible direction indeed.

[Aravell]

Yes, healer damage is still optional (save for 3 specs) and is still lower than an actual dps, but my point is they can deal damage at all now. Before Legion or so, you would barely even be able to quest as a healer, you were worthless outside the kitchen dungeons/raids.

In other words, XIV is molding their healers into a playstyle that even WoW is expanding out from.

I wouldn't say that XIV is molding healers into a "healers only heal" style. It's more like they're trying to make healers so easy that a toddler could play it.

A "healers only heal" style would necessitate high incoming damage, something the dev team is extremely hesitant to give us. They also won't give us more to do in downtime, they also say that healer dps is not required to clear fights.

They're basically treating the healer playerbase like toddlers. You're not allowed to have more to heal, you're not allowed to have a more busy downtime, you're only allowed to press one singular key for most of the fight so you can react faster when a DPS player steps in something they shouldn't.

[rawker]

Just curious though. Was CBU3 the same team that designed the jobs in ARR and HW?

[Aravell]

Just curious though. Was CBU3 the same team that designed the jobs in ARR and HW?

It's been the same team since ARR, iirc. At least the credits always show the same names in the battle design team.

[rawker]

I see. Now i wonder what drove the team to conclude that the current healer setup is right.. surely they have taken feedback. Must've construed it differently.. i dunno. I just find it hard to believe they screwed it up. Was it the loud minority that aren't healers and got heard?

[ty_taurus]

I see. Now i wonder what drove the team to conclude that the current healer setup is right.. surely they have taken feedback. Must've construed it differently.. i dunno. I just find it hard to believe they screwed it up. Was it the loud minority that aren't healers and got heard?

My theory is that it's a continued over-correcting of Heavensward. Back then, Cleric Stance's all-or-nothing nature made DPSing very stressful for a lot of people, because they were afraid of being stuck in Cleric Stance at the wrong time and killing their team. But even when that issue was resolved with the change to Cleric Stance in Stormblood, the Devs were scarred from the Heavensward arguments, so they just kept simplifying. Like seeing your house plants wilting, then killing them by drowning them.

[Supersnow845]

The only thing about that line of thinking is that it doesn’t seem to account for the fact that tanks and healers had the same complaints about their role at the tail end of SB but square handled the two in the exact opposite way for seemingly no discernible reason

The “I like my role and I don’t want to just be a DPS but I also don’t like that my role responsibility is too reliant on the other roles and this often causes me to lose damage”

For the tank they functionally removed agro and agro combos as well as made tank stance an inherent permanent buff that generates incredibly huge agro, but they allowed them to maintain their DPS complexity, healers instead they seemed to have prescribed the playstyle of expecting large amounts of healing while DPS remains a third priority however due to this healers heal more than tanks tank so to speak

They have never seems to have explained their justification for why when they removed the last shreds of “everyone is a true DPS class but supports have to give up 50% of that damage to do their primary role” and transitioned to “supports now just do their primary role as a subsidiary of being DPS but we have baked the 50% less damage into their kits” they chose the opposing design ideas for the 2 supports nor will they acknowledge that one half of this equation definitely enjoyed the changes more than the other