Healing Focus or DPS Focus

[Supersnow845]

I admit I suck at endless sets of double weaving and keeping a picture in my mind of what order to do those sets of double weaves so NIN/DRK/DNC/GNB/AST really don’t work well with me

Meanwhile I feel I’m above average at the ability to plan on the fly 5-6GCD’s out for jobs who aren’t always stagnant or alternatively jobs that are so rigid that you need to remember your exact GCD order so I tend to mesh well with BRD/old PLD/DRG/SCH/MCH/BLM

[IDontPetLalas]

I wouldn't group AST with SMN, I'd still keep it closer , but to the right of SCH.

[HappyHubris]

Healers should heal much much much more AND have enough of a DPS toolkit to contribute damage in a fun way. Even if normal content remains braindead, extreme and up should involve large amounts of unavoidable damage instead of tickling the tank and telegraphing incoming damage. We also should see MP become a resource to manage again.

A good model is WoW's Mythic dungeons: There is plenty of unavoidable damage and healers are healing the majority of the time as they progress, but healers need to dip into a robust DPS toolkit to clear the tougher keystones before the timer. I haven't tried WoW raiding in over a decade, but that was also balanced to require healing chops.

[Allegor]

A good model is WoW's Mythic dungeons: There is plenty of unavoidable damage and healers are healing the majority of the time as they progress, but healers need to dip into a robust DPS toolkit to clear the tougher keystones before the timer. I haven't tried WoW raiding in over a decade, but that was also balanced to require healing chops.

I still find it hilarious that WoW originally had a 'healers only heal' format but went progressively leaning into healers doing more and more damage, while XIV kept stripping their healers off theirs. Who knows, maybe by DT we'll finally get our dots removed, because keeping an eye on applying it every 30 seconds is ~too stressful~

[HappyHubris]

I still find it hilarious that WoW originally had a 'healers only heal' format but went progressively leaning into healers doing more and more damage, while XIV kept stripping their healers off theirs. Who knows, maybe by DT we'll finally get our dots removed, because keeping an eye on applying it every 30 seconds is ~too stressful~

This is only for high level Mythic+ dungeons, due to their timer. If you look at parses for lower Mythics or raids, healers still heal:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...casts&source=6

[Allegor]

This is only for high level Mythic+ dungeons, due to their timer. If you look at parses for lower Mythics or raids, healers still heal:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...casts&source=6

Yes, healer damage is still optional (save for 3 specs) and is still lower than an actual dps, but my point is they can deal damage at all now. Before Legion or so, you would barely even be able to quest as a healer, you were worthless outside the kitchen dungeons/raids.

In other words, XIV is molding their healers into a playstyle that even WoW is expanding out from.

[HappyHubris]

Yes, healer damage is still optional (save for 3 specs) and is still lower than an actual dps, but my point is they can deal damage at all now. Before Legion or so, you would barely even be able to quest as a healer, you were worthless outside the kitchen dungeons/raids.

In other words, XIV is molding their healers into a playstyle that even WoW is expanding out from.

You're omitting that WoW has had dual specs since Wrath, so no one is questing in healing spec.

And healing spec absolutely could do damage at all and quest successfully, just more slowly. I leveled my first character resto 1-60, before further improvements to healer damage output. Indeed, WoW healers have always had a stronger DPS toolkit than FFXIV ones. It's just that FFXIV isn't tuned to require healing, so the community fixates on damage output from healers instead of passing healing checks. Which makes the "one dot and single nuke spam" even more egregious.

FFXIV healers wish they had WoW's healer damage toolkits. Like my druid can literally turn into a cat and start a full DPS rotation, where my FFXIV healers just spam the 1 key.

[rawker]

The point of maintaining multiple dots was that there would be no excuse for you to cast GCD heals as you have some damage ticking. All your DoTs, combined, do more damage than a single Ruin. That's another reason I love ARR SCH so much - Ruin had low potency.. I think even less than 100... 80. Can't remember. In today's standard, it is just a bit more than a dot tick. Ruin way back in the day is the very definition of a filler spell as it does low damage. You not hard casting Ruin was not as detrimental as losing out on your dots. I am not buying to the notion that maintaining DoTs is stressful.

[AmiableApkallu]

In a previous life, I worked at a company that had the following guidelines for how users would perceive the responsiveness of our software:

• ≤ 1 second: The user feels like they are in control.
• 2–3 seconds: The user feels like they are having a "conversation" with a computer.
• ≥ 10 seconds: The user mentally checks out and goes to make a pot of coffee.

The problem with a 30 second DoT is that it's too easy to forget about it. A shorter duration would actually make it easier to remember.

[Sylvain]

In a previous life, I worked at a company that had the following guidelines for how users would perceive the responsiveness of our software:

• ≤ 1 second: The user feels like they are in control.
• 2–3 seconds: The user feels like they are having a "conversation" with a computer.
• ≥ 10 seconds: The user mentally checks out and goes to make a pot of coffee.

The problem with a 30 second DoT is that it's too easy to forget about it. A shorter duration would actually make it easier to remember.

I forget my DoT all the time... like basically I don't pay attention to it. I just mentally know where it's durations ends and when I need to recast it. (Or when I can't slide cast)
But when doing Ex trial or expert roulette, I just forget to refresh it as I get drowzee from spamming malefic x_x.