[Character Graphics Update]: Second Benchmark Worries

[Reimmi]

Options would be the only way to keep both sides happy.

Person A: OMG I hate the new eyebrows, Square Enix better change them back
Person B: OMG I love the new eyebrows, Square Enix better keep them

Only way to make them happy is to offer both eyebrow options.
Just an example.

honestly the character creator needs a massive overhaul anyway
butt slider, more eyebrows, let us have more than 1 face mask, etc

[Evergrey]

"Overall appearance of player characters will be altered as little as possible" -from one of the slideshows in Letter from the Producer LIVE Part LXVIII

As little as possible could mean anything honestly.
Some changes might've required more change than others even if those bigger changes were the minimum they could do in those cases.

We'll just have to wait and see what'll happen down the road.

Edit:
That's even what "Possible" implies.
That chances are that it isn't possible to keep the changes minor for some.

[HollowedDoll]

As little as possible could mean anything honestly.
Some changes might've required more change than others even if those bigger changes were the minimum they could do in those cases.

We'll just have to wait and see what'll happen down the road.

Edit:
That's even what "Possible" implies.
That chances are that it isn't possible to keep the changes minor for some.

Changing lip shape that is 90% texture is not really some impossible herculean task, really. It's called using a reference, which I'm aware that a lot of forum goes here tell on themselves they could not do, but the people at Square Enix are paid professionals.
I've also been seeing a lot of people in other threads trying to gaslight people into it either being a full revert back to pre DT or current whatever changes, no inbetween.. It really wouldn't take too much to tweak the new faces to resemble the old ones more.

That aside the "We're really putting a lot of priority on not changing the image you have of your own character in your head. We want to make sure your characters still look the way that you enjoy them now." part of the quote is a lot more obvious in regards to the intent in my opinion. It shouldn't be the people who are satisfied with their character having to look for other options ( many of which fantasia won't fix ) but rather the people who want something new. Square has shown they're willing to make customization available that's literally a copy paste of previous face but with a beard on midlander, so I don't see why they couldn't add the new batch of crack customization for those that want it eventually after they nail down the actual current look. Because here's the thing, they've been able to make do with the current customization and in the majority of the times they don't even see the difference, so what will some more waiting do? As opposed to people who may have been playing for a decade and are suddenly altered with no options to fix besides breaking TOS, it's not even close.

At the end of the day we do have to wait and see, but I find the attitude of some forum goers very reminiscent of those shutting down Hrothgar/Viera grievances since they weren't affected, so it obviously doesn't matter.

[HawkeScream]

They should revert or adjust changes if existing au ra players are unhappy. My main is this hyur and a face 3 male viera. Based on current broken benchmark preview, I would be overjoyed if they reverted everything they did to them, because I like the characters I play *right now.* I'm very cautiously hopeful that benchmark 2.0 adjustments will be more in line with them stating they are trying to make "your character but better." Preserving existing characters was the goal, and that's what they should stick to. Adding options would be the only way to keep everyone happy, which would be great! Never gonna complain about more options. But like xirune already said, retaining current character appearance should be more important.

[justausername]

see that's the problem though. I also play a face 3 male viera (and a face 1), and I very much love the changes. If they reverted them I would be extremely unhappy.

I also think adjusting the lighting like they say they are doing will help a lot of people see that the 'differences' they are seeing, aren't actually there.

[Rudje]

see that's the problem though. I also play a face 3 male viera (and a face 1), and I very much love the changes. If they reverted them I would be extremely unhappy.

I also think adjusting the lighting like they say they are doing will help a lot of people see that the 'differences' they are seeing, aren't actually there.

Unless you are skinning both models and comparing the textures and triangles you don't get to tell me that what I'm seeing doesn't exist.

[justausername]

I didn't specifically say YOU. I said 'a lot of people'.

It's a graphical update. Of course some things were going to change. There are some actually errors that need to be fixed, sure. But things were not going to look the same when it was being updated. It was kinnnda the point for it NOT to.

[Reinha]

I also think adjusting the lighting like they say they are doing will help a lot of people see that the 'differences' they are seeing, aren't actually there.

The lighting changes will change the shape and size of my characters lips and revert her eyebrow color from blonde to black again? Man, it's crazy what the devs can do with just lighting these days.

[Tethan]

see that's the problem though. I also play a face 3 male viera (and a face 1), and I very much love the changes. If they reverted them I would be extremely unhappy.

I also think adjusting the lighting like they say they are doing will help a lot of people see that the 'differences' they are seeing, aren't actually there.

Could you show example pictures of what you like and would be upset if they changed on face 3? SE cannot take your feedback into account with no examples or specifics. If this means so much to you, surely you can provide this.

But the "differences" aren't actually there? Which is it?

To the topic:

On every level, priority should be given to preserving characters. If you like the new stuff, that's cool, but the promise from SE was to change as little as possible, meaning between two choices the correct is the one that resembles what was before.

Like the guy above, the people who "like" the changes almost never provide any accurate feedback. "I like it" is vague and tells us nothing. What do you like? Please specify, maybe then a true compromise can be found. "Address nothing" is NOT a compromise.