Elements

[Octavia_Deathschoicen]

We really need some slight changes to the elements, for one water is basicly hardly even touched in jobs water can be highly effective and powerfull, we see enemys and other things have it like one blue mage ability, and Dark version of the elements cant even be accessed,
Elemental attacks should be effective/noneffective against certain things, idc if magic excuse or not it makes no sense going in and hurting a basic god of fire like Ifirt with fire the elemental circle allows some thinking,
So maybe instend of going to 100 we just stop at 99 and add in something we can earn with extra exp to modify our skill sets, or perhaps even modify the naming of said spells for example there is "Void" "anicent" "Ronka" versions

I don t think the challenge of fights is the problem making us fall asleep the problem is there is no thinking its always x = y do 1 -2 -3 -4 repeat pop cd and thats it, so honestly bringing back the elements to effect based on what enemy is would honestly be enough for battle as it makes you think,

[CVXIV]

Say you're fighting Ifrit as a black mage, what then?
You are locked out of what is supposed to be your DPS phase, when you burst him with fire.
Elements and type advantages are fun to think about in single player RPGs, but are much harder to implement in something like an MMO.

Also, I believe dark knight uses darkness, hence the name, but I could be wrong.
If not dark knight, then reaper - I would be surprised if neither used the darkness element tbh.

[Octavia_Deathschoicen]

Say you're fighting Ifrit as a black mage, what then?
You are locked out of what is supposed to be your DPS phase, when you burst him with fire.
Elements and type advantages are fun to think about in single player RPGs, but are much harder to implement in something like an MMO.

Also, I believe dark knight uses darkness, hence the name, but I could be wrong.
If not dark knight, then reaper - I would be surprised if neither used the darkness element tbh.

simple make thunder and blizzard more usefull lol use blizzard when your on ifrit simple

also dark knight does but doesnt since its all mele and no spell casting it doesnt rlly count

[TheMightyMollusk]

Dark knights use abyssal magic in some of their attacks. Of course, outside of Eureka and the Masked Carnivale, elemental damage doesn't matter, so it's just for flavor.

[CVXIV]

simple make thunder and blizzard more usefull lol use blizzard when your on ifrit simple

also dark knight does but doesnt since its all mele and no spell casting it doesnt rlly count

Alright, so ice and lightning are buffed.
Would this apply to all fights or is it in specific Ifrit? If so, why?
Ice traditionally is weak to fire, while lightning is neither strong or weak against the element.

How would MP regeneration for black mage be affected? Would it be removed?
We are told in universe that it is important to not tip too strongly to one element, otherwise it will consume us.
This is stated in one of the early thaumaturge quests iirc

I'll also use red mage as an example, as it's my favorite caster
How do you do damage to Ifrit?

Verfire would do pitiful damage, and if you want to be realistic about it veraero would do little damage, since wind would then create more oxygen for his flames.
How do you balance your gauge and do your melee rotation?

My point with this is to show that it isn't as simple as it may sound to shove these elements into a system where they previously did not exist.
I enjoy things like this, where you have to plan and strategize to defeat your foes, but something like that needs to be planned from the ground up.
It would require a complete rework of all the classes to make their elements matter in any meaningful way.

[Octavia_Deathschoicen]

Alright, so ice and lightning are buffed.
Would this apply to all fights or is it in specific Ifrit? If so, why?
Ice traditionally is weak to fire, while lightning is neither strong or weak against the element.

How would MP regeneration for black mage be affected? Would it be removed?
We are told in universe that it is important to not tip too strongly to one element, otherwise it will consume us.
This is stated in one of the early thaumaturge quests iirc

I'll also use red mage as an example, as it's my favorite caster
How do you do damage to Ifrit?

Verfire would do pitiful damage, and if you want to be realistic about it veraero would do little damage, since wind would then create more oxygen for his flames.
How do you balance your gauge and do your melee rotation?

My point with this is to show that it isn't as simple as it may sound to shove these elements into a system where they previously did not exist.
I enjoy things like this, where you have to plan and strategize to defeat your foes, but something like that needs to be planned from the ground up.
It would require a complete rework of all the classes to make their elements matter in any meaningful way.

give blm water, earth and air attacks and make the elements effect their counterpart simple, same can be done with red mage and any other caster lol there is also a thing called non elemental attacks such as scythe

[Elissar]

Perfect World had an interesting implementation of this concept. Specially if you used to play as a Mage.
The success depends of how much resistance they implement.

[Supersnow845]

give blm water, earth and air attacks and make the elements effect their counterpart simple, same can be done with red mage and any other caster lol

We have entire 5th astral era quests that explain specifically why this wouldn’t work and goes against all lore

BLM controls fire ice and lightning, WHM controls water wind and earth though rarely uses water

The hundreds of years of war depleting the elements is why the 5th umbral calamity was water aspected

Water is just canonically an underused element in the magical professions

[Eraden]

Mao thinkings this would require COMPLETE overhauls of ALL magic usings jobs, includings BLMs, Yoshi's favorites job. Nopes. Nots gonna happen in million years.

[Octavia_Deathschoicen]

We have entire 5th astral era quests that explain specifically why this wouldn’t work and goes against all lore

BLM controls fire ice and lightning, WHM controls water wind and earth though rarely uses water

The hundreds of years of war depleting the elements is why the 5th umbral calamity was water aspected

Water is just canonically an underused element in the magical professions

lore can be changed and modify just because something is written doesnt mean at a later area it can change it

also the "lore" is just current zone lore which can easily be dismissed in new areas


also water was / is used by many but all npcs