Reddit vs. the Forums in the Graphics War of '24

[CidHeiral]

Square enix needs to come out and admit where they actually pull feedback from because it doesn’t seem to be anywhere. Reddit and twitter get outright ignored while the white knights tell people to come to the forums, people come to the forums and get radio silence while we continue to spin round the same 5 topics they refuse to acknowledge

Then people say go to the JP forums and then they seem to ignore that as well, the JP forums didn’t like Kaiten or the healer reworks or the simplicity of modern SMN, they got ignored as well


At this point just tell us to put up and shut up if they won’t take feedback from us anywhere, even their own channels

They have made changes as a direct result of feedback from all over so I would assume they look at various social media channels, they just don't announce "thank you citizen we have received your request."

[Supersnow845]

They have made changes as a direct result of feedback from all over so I would assume they look at various social media channels, they just don't announce "thank you citizen we have received your request."

What regular changes do they make in response to general feedback that actually mean anything

They are incredibly rigid on refusing to change the jobs, they rarely respond to feedback about role distinction, they are near silent on changes to content and rewards, yoshi himself outright blew off healers last event, viera and Hrothgar are still waiting for hats

Saying “they do respond to community feedback because they added an extra parasol when they ignore the core functions of the game is just disingenuous

[rawker]

What regular changes do they make in response to general feedback that actually mean anything

They are incredibly rigid on refusing to change the jobs, they rarely respond to feedback about role distinction, they are near silent on changes to content and rewards, yoshi himself outright blew off healers last event, viera and Hrothgar are still waiting for hats

Saying “they do respond to community feedback because they added an extra parasol when they ignore the core functions of the game is just disingenuous

Now I wonder where they're getting the idea of reworking the jobs?

[Arkdra]

What regular changes do they make in response to general feedback that actually mean anything

They are incredibly rigid on refusing to change the jobs, they rarely respond to feedback about role distinction, they are near silent on changes to content and rewards, yoshi himself outright blew off healers last event, viera and Hrothgar are still waiting for hats

Saying “they do respond to community feedback because they added an extra parasol when they ignore the core functions of the game is just disingenuous

They don't ignore the core functions of the game, they just think you're wrong and probably have the data to back them up but we will never know for sure~

[CidHeiral]

What regular changes do they make in response to general feedback that actually mean anything

They are incredibly rigid on refusing to change the jobs, they rarely respond to feedback about role distinction, they are near silent on changes to content and rewards, yoshi himself outright blew off healers last event, viera and Hrothgar are still waiting for hats

Saying “they do respond to community feedback because they added an extra parasol when they ignore the core functions of the game is just disingenuous

Which isn't what I said at all.

You said:

Square enix needs to come out and admit where they actually pull feedback from because it doesn’t seem to be anywhere. Reddit and twitter get outright ignored while the white knights tell people to come to the forums, people come to the forums and get radio silence while we continue to spin round the same 5 topics they refuse to acknowledge

Then people say go to the JP forums and then they seem to ignore that as well, the JP forums didn’t like Kaiten or the healer reworks or the simplicity of modern SMN, they got ignored as well


At this point just tell us to put up and shut up if they won’t take feedback from us anywhere, even their own channels

Then I said they clearly do take feedback since they've made changes based on it.

They have made changes as a direct result of feedback from all over so I would assume they look at various social media channels, they just don't announce "thank you citizen we have received your request."

Whether they are changes you want or not is irrelevant. You original post was about them ignoring feedback entirely, not ignoring specific feedback.

[Supersnow845]

Which isn't what I said at all.

You said:



Then I said they clearly do take feedback since they've made changes based on it.



Whether they are changes you want or not is irrelevant. You original post was about them ignoring feedback entirely, not ignoring specific feedback.

Yes and my point stands

Saying they take feedback about useless minor things as evidence they do take feedback when they blatantly ignore feedback about how the game actually works is disingenuous

Since ShB they have functionally accepted no feedback regarding any major change to any major system despite asking for our feedback. Are we supposed to only offer feedback on minor things nobody cares about

[CidHeiral]

Yes and my point stands

Saying they take feedback about useless minor things as evidence they do take feedback when they blatantly ignore feedback about how the game actually works is disingenuous

Since ShB they have functionally accepted no feedback regarding any major change to any major system despite asking for our feedback. Are we supposed to only offer feedback on minor things nobody cares about

Off the top of my head didn't they overhaul PvP, add a deep dungeon, and change the variant rewards based on player feedback? If nobody cares about those things why were there so many threads complaining about them?

[Arkdra]

Yes and my point stands

Saying they take feedback about useless minor things as evidence they do take feedback when they blatantly ignore feedback about how the game actually works is disingenuous

Since ShB they have functionally accepted no feedback regarding any major change to any major system despite asking for our feedback. Are we supposed to only offer feedback on minor things nobody cares about

Your definition of useless is everything that isn't immediately addressing healer griping, which as a non-healer main I consider emminently more useless than most of the examples of feedback that people bring up to you when you say stuff like this.

Edit: They should address it though because it's not like I really disagree. For my money, I think healers are more boring now than they were.

[Supersnow845]

Your definition of useless is everything that isn't immediately addressing healer griping, which as a non-healer main I consider emminently more useless than most of the examples of feedback that people bring up to you when you say stuff like this.

Edit: They should address it though because it's not like I really disagree. For my money, I think healers are more boring now than they were.

There is a lot more complaints than healers but also you know a whole third of the trinity being completely useless isn’t exactly a minor complaint

You bought up housing a few comments ago, why do we still not have instances housing (apartments don’t count because they lack critical features), why can they never seem to remotely balance the tanks, why will they still give us no feedback on why they decided to delete Kaiten, why do they wait till jobs are literally getting locked out of PF before they make changes we pointed out weeks before the jobs even got released (WHM and MCH), why do they still refuse to do anything for people with high ping despite it being easily accessible. Why did they not change course on the design of myths after aglaia got negative feedback for being too easy and not feeling like an alliance raid, why will they still not give viera or Hrothgar hats. Why will they still not split au ra horns from their face or miqote clan markings from their face. Why have they forced a double melee dominance when nobody asked for it. Why do they keep doubling and tripling down on body checks in savage. Why did they make criterion savage and ultimate light when people were begging for midcore content, why did they double down on EO basically being designed as a solo challenge when that was HOH’s biggest criticism

The list of ignored feedback is long and varied, I’m a healer main so a lot of my energy goes into discussing healers but it isn’t the remote totality of my problems with the game, and all of these points have had multiple threads on them and they get ignored