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    Aries Helle
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    1.0 vs ARR vs DT For Context

    I know a lot of people are saying their characters completely changed or look different, that they didn't stay as faithful to the character as they did in ARR from 1.0 and here is an image from a Character who was imported directly from 1.0 to ARR and the DT benchmark. As you can see, the expression and look of the character definitely went through a minor change, much less than the one we are seeing from ARR to DT so I believe the statement they tried to stay faithful is accurate. That is not to say suggesting changes is bad. I just want people to come here for reference and look at what players who went through a graphics change have already experienced. Despite those changes, the game became more successful, and people accepted the game was improving rather than getting worse.


    If you need to see it bigger you can right click and open it in a new tab. it is a 4K image.

    Per an additional request here is a gigantic mosaic with all races from 1.0 - DT BM. Remember to right click and open in new tab.

    1. 1.0
    2. ARR
    3. DT BM

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    Last edited by Ath192; 04-17-2024 at 06:14 AM.

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    Hakeem Olajuwan
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    DT looks closer to 1.0 than ARR-EW. Not necessarily a bad thing, it actually looks better mostly, but looks very different than what people are used to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naple View Post
    DT looks closer to 1.0 than ARR-EW. Not necessarily a bad thing, it actually looks better mostly, but looks very different than what people are used to.
    Yeah, it does ask the question a bit if the better lighting is worth it. Least for a style that have been somewhat flat for 10 years now.
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    Larirawiel Caennalys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naple View Post
    DT looks closer to 1.0 than ARR-EW. Not necessarily a bad thing, it actually looks better mostly, but looks very different than what people are used to.
    The ARR models have various bugs like completely wrong normal maps in the face or white dots in the eyes etc. But the people got used to it. SQEX fixed it and now it looks different and the people are upset because it looks different.



    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    Of course someone would make this xD. I will point out it's sad the 1.0 model was still more detailed in some areas than DT which is releasing 14 years after. The Torso seems better in 1.0 as well. The hempen set was the small clothes of 1.0 so afaik this is as close as the comparison gets.
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    Last edited by Ath192; 04-16-2024 at 04:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    I don't know -- the characters I have now and love don't have ten toes.
    I'm not sure I like this change.

    Yes, I'm joking.
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    Suri Obinata
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    No matter how much you shill, these are NOT the same characters.


    Eyes are a completely different shape & darker, eyebrows are thinner and lighter, nose top lost it's slight widening towards the tip, top lip lost cupid bow-bottom became wider & more thin.



    Again eyes are completely different shape and color, eyebrows thinner, lighter AND a different shape, nose is shortened and widened, top lip was raised making it thicker and lower was made thinner & wider.

    And yes I played around with the BM CC, NOTHING came close to their original looks, even tried using different faces (big no-no for the au ra, picked for the horns) still couldn't get close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windfire View Post
    ... these are NOT the same characters.
    Of course they aren't: one has a lot more polygons.

    Characters are going to look different after the graphics upgrade: that's the entire point of upgrading them.
    Whether the new look is better or worse is a matter of taste, which as we all know there is no accounting for.

    Now it's not inconceivable that they'll have made it better -- even in your eyes -- by DT launch, or sometime soon thereafter. But if in the end the "upgrade" is going to make the game unenjoyable for you, I think you know what your options are.
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    Last edited by Bun_Vivant; 04-16-2024 at 04:43 PM.

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    Larirawiel Caennalys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windfire View Post
    No matter how much you shill, these are NOT the same characters.
    They are the same. But the new model has repaired normal maps. And this is the reason why it appears brighter and less rough.


    Cheers
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