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    Quote Originally Posted by Doopliss View Post
    I think it's extremely interesting that two of the people who are downplaying changes are Face 1 Fem Highlanders--you know, one of the faces they used to showcase for the past several months
    Well, I think it's "extremely interesting" that you lead-off with an ad-hominem attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doopliss
    "Negativity" is being posted on Twitter, Reddit, and the JP side of forums.
    If there's one immutable constant for FFXIV, it's that negativity is always being posted on Twitter, Reddit, and the JP side of forums. So that alone doesn't mean much -- especially when positivity gets responded to with personal attacks (see above).

    Quote Originally Posted by Doopliss
    And regardless of semantics, they made a promise that character impressions would change as little as possible.
    The controlling phrase there is "as possible." And only SE knows what that means.

    Quote Originally Posted by Embran View Post
    I have gone out of my way so many times to include this in my comments because people have been eager to be upset with me for daring to like the changes to my character. Please stop.
    I for one am happy for you. My own characters (the eight I have at or near EoC) are a mixed bag, but the character I made specifically to turn into a fem-hroth (Kiitara, from Thundercat's "Cheetara") looks promising. OTOH my goal of a puma-esque character seems to face some obstacles, since a dark-gray face does not a puma make.

    Now, having said all that, my own take:

    Only a tiny minority of the 30 million player of FFXIV every post to any forum, and the sample that does post is self-selected and therefore cannot be relied on as representative of the larger population. SE should monitor the forums for what they can learn from it, but at the end of the quarter they'll use Dawntrail sales as the primary measure of success, and game-site reviews probably as the second one.

    Even if some current players leave because their character doesn't look right to them -- and I haven't seen much of that sentiment expressed BTW -- if the number of subscribers increases with the Dawntrail launch, SE will take that as a win. Given how gorgeous the new environments look, and that new players have no investment in pre-DT character designs, an increase in subscribers seems likely to me.

    But will Yoshi-p be satsfied with that? Maybe not: he freaking loves this game, it's his healthy little 10-year old child, and I'm sure he wants to see it hit a healthy age-of-majority. So I think he'll do whatever he can to make as many players as possible happy; that's who he seems to be.

    Please look forward to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bun_Vivant View Post
    The controlling phrase there is "as possible." And only SE knows what that means.
    The thing is, the changes people are asking for are entirely possible. I don't understand what's not to understand. SE is a multi-million dollar company. FFXIV is their primary money-maker. The graphical changes people should be getting used to is how new lighting, textures, and the slightly higher poly count affect their character, not literal, physical features changing into something else.

    I appreciate that you're trying to look at it from both angles, but it feels like you got caught up in the whole deal about negativity. I put that in quotation marks because, while a lot of thread titles are worded a little questionably, I hardly see people being outright malicious; just worried.

    Most aggressiveness I've seen has come from people who do enjoy how their characters look posting in threads of people feeling anxious and emotional. Like, of course they're going to be heated! I had a moment myself in this very thread, in spite of also being fine with how several of my characters look!

    There are plenty of places to spread positivity or excitement on every site listed, and I've absolutely seen it shared successfully. Perhaps less on the forums, admittedly, because on average people are less likely to stick to newly made threads.

    Overall, though, I can't really grasp the conclusion your post is trying to come to. Claiming only SE knows what 'as close as possible' means and that the people disliking the changes is only a small sample size feels weirdly like a 'get over it' statement, but then there's the calling SE and Yoshida to action to monitor the forums so they can make as many people happy as possible.

    They...already do that? We've seen this work for Viera noses and Au Ra limbal rings? I get that they're not 'tuned' as close as possible to what's currently in-game, but there is still clearly a difference from their before and now.

    EDIT: Actually ovIm put like, half of my sentiments into significantly better words than I did. My ass needs to read more.
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    Last edited by Doopliss; 04-16-2024 at 05:21 PM. Reason: i also still can't spell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doopliss View Post
    The thing is, the changes people are asking for are entirely possible.
    Theoretically possible, sure.
    Possible to do and still release DT this year? You and I don't know the answer to that.

    And the "multi-million dollar company" line of argument doesn't get off the ground with me:
    I spent 30 years working for multi-billion dollar high-tech companies, including being technical lead of a microprocessor development team at Intel, and the fact that the company made billions every quarter didn't do us any good. Upper management gave us schedules and budgets, and we were expected to meet them. (Plus we had to compete with other projects for immutably-limited resources like wafer starts and C-suite mindshare.)

    And even if we'd had unlimited money, it wouldn't have helped: real talent is always rarer than you'd like, and adding even competent people to a high-performance team, if you can find them, does nothing but slow things down; this has been recognized since at least the publication of The Mythical Man-Month. It's just human nature that throwing more than seven or so people onto a project leads to inefficiencies (if not outright sabotage when internecine office warfare breaks out).

    So when Yoshida-san say "as possible," he means "as possible given the temporal, fiscal, human, and technical limitations we have to operate within." And there aren't many people outside CBU3 who really understand what that means.

    Yoshida-san has a track record, and that track record makes me believe he is going to do his best.
    His best has been pretty good so far, so I believe it will be enough. YMMV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bun_Vivant View Post
    Theoretically possible, sure.
    Possible to do and still release DT this year? You and I don't know the answer to that.

    And the "multi-million dollar company" line of argument doesn't get off the ground with me:
    I spent 30 years working for multi-billion dollar high-tech companies, including being technical lead of a microprocessor development team at Intel, and the fact that the company made billions every quarter didn't do us any good. Upper management gave us schedules and budgets, and we were expected to meet them. (Plus we had to compete with other projects for immutably-limited resources like wafer starts and C-suite mindshare.)
    I'm unfortunately well aware throwing more money at a project doesn't actually make it easier. You're also right in that I don't know the answer to that question. I actually believe people would be feeling less frantic and scared if they weren't worried for the artists' management being compressed into such a short time.

    However, I know that no scenarios are ever a perfect 1-1 either, and I often bring up Square Enix's status as a company because I feel like people frequently forget we are thousands of actively paying customers in a live service game, as if we should be simply grateful for whatever is thrown to us.

    I've been playing for 10 years now, and while the team has a good track record, I'm unfortunately also equally familiar with many promises never coming to fruition (Personal and FC housing will be separate, FC alliances, the forbidden free third retainer promised in Heavensward launch, the announced plan to unlock racial hairstyles in Stormblood, RPR being an interesting and complex job, to name a few).

    Regardless, I think sharing criticisms is more of a good thing than not, even if some aren't exactly eloquent or, er, entirely right with what they're describing. So, if they cannot manage everything straight at launch, I'd rather--and I assume many others--see people continue to speak up so that it's addressed sooner instead of later.

    The last live letter showcasing characters literally had "while preserving the looks you all love and know!" plastered on its announcement panel. They've repeated this sentiment multiple times, and while I know natural human error will have an effect in everything, some of these changes seem a little sloppy for an update and make the advertising feel ingenuine. Still, along with you, I'm hoping for the best.
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