Thread: The 7.0 Graphical update preview is an objective failure

Originally Posted by Embran

Anyway, yeah. The faces got 60 new bones, which are mostly found in the eyes and mouths. I have no doubt it's to make them more expressive in the cutscenes, and it's also likely why they got hit the hardest. They had to redo them instead of just "painting over them," so to speak.

This I didn't know. Where did you learn about it?

Originally Posted by sahroo

This I didn't know. Where did you learn about it?

From people who have ripped the benchmark models on Twitter. Not that it invalidates the concerns people have about eyes and mouths, but it does go some ways to explaining why they were hit so hard.

Originally Posted by hymmeli

I really do not mean to be rude, but you commented in this thread to the effect of "that is not true, other places no one is saying anything" (which was not true), so it does come across as you finding fault. Any "petty argument" I've seen, so far that I've seen at least so yeah I could be wrong too, has been people telling other people how to feel about the update so I can't really blame anyone for being defensive when someone is telling them how to feel about their character.

I mean, you have people disregarding me for being happy with the changes in this very thread. It goes both ways.

But, for the record and the sake of my own sanity -- EVERY. SINGLE. COMPLAINT. is 100% valid. Nobody should be silenced or disregarded. Even if I disagree with you and find the changes to be great. My opinion is not more valid than anyone else's.

The only thing I am truly sick of is the hyperbole. All it does is create echo chambers and limit actual discussion.

Originally Posted by Doopliss

I apologize, I actually didn't realize how much more conversation happened in this thread from what I initially saw. I'll admit that I wrote this a while ago without pressing enter and then went AFK to get a sandwich, so I'll take that L.

<3 it's all good, and I can understand why the kneejerk might have happened. There HAVE been rude people whose entire mindset is "well I like my character so idc what you think."

Originally Posted by Embran

I mean, you have people disregarding me for being happy with the changes in this very thread. It goes both ways.

But, for the record and the sake of my own sanity -- EVERY. SINGLE. COMPLAINT. is 100% valid. Nobody should be silenced or disregarded. Even if I disagree with you and find the changes to be great. My opinion is not more valid than anyone else's.

The only thing I am truly sick of is the hyperbole. All it does is create echo chambers and limit actual discussion.

One wrong does not make a right, Embran. Sometimes it's simply better not to engage. Personally, I'm glad for you that you're happy with your character in the update. It's just really disappointing and people are sad so, yes, I can imagine some people lashing out in frustration towards people who express they are happy with results. That's why it's sometimes better to just not engage when it's something that is as emotionally charged as the topic is of people and their personal characters/WoLs right now.

Originally Posted by hymmeli

One wrong does not make a right, Embran. Sometimes it's simply better not to engage. Personally, I'm glad for you that you're happy with your character in the update. It's just really disappointing and people are sad so, yes, I can imagine some people lashing out in frustration towards people who express they are happy with results. That's why it's sometimes better to just not engage when it's something that is as emotionally charged as the topic is of people and their personal characters/WoLs right now.

I'm genuinely confused where the disagreement is between us? We both agree that changes need to be made to the things people are unhappy about.

Can you point to where I told people how they should feel about their characters? Because I've said many times now many things need to be changed and that everyone's concerns are valid.

This is becoming a little too melodramatic for my tastes.