Thread: The 7.0 Graphical update preview is an objective failure

Originally Posted by sahroo

I didn't think my post was that hyperbolic as, given the sentiment on this forum that I have seen, Cbu3 did fail their stated goal. That is my genuine concern.

The problem is that the data you're pulling is an extremely tiny percentage of the overall player base, and one that is predisposed to have a negative opinion. This makes any conclusion you draw from that data ultimately meaningless.

It doesn't seem like it's coming from a place of concern. It just seems like an excuse to make a "screw Square Enix, am I right guys?" thread and get a bunch of virtual high fives.

Originally Posted by Embran

More than that, I’ve already said I liked the updates in other threads and I’ve just gotten pushback like “good for you, nobody asked” from people who are frustrated by them. I understand why others would want to drown out the positive sentiment regarding the updates in hopes that they don’t go through, but expressing positive sentiment here usually paints a target on your back. I dare not say that I enjoyed Endwalker’s MSQ.

lol same

Originally Posted by CidHeiral

The problem is that the data you're pulling is an extremely tiny percentage of the overall player base, and one that is predisposed to have a negative opinion. This makes any conclusion you draw from that data ultimately meaningless.

That doesn't matter- OP is objectively correct here

It's a fact that CBU3 said they weren't going to make characters look different, and it's a fact that there are several faces that have had their meshes changed in some way

That said, a lot of it is probably due to haphazard use of Subdivision smoothing out detail

Originally Posted by LordMcMutton

That doesn't matter- OP is objectively correct here

It's a fact that CBU3 said they weren't going to make characters look different, and it's a fact that there are several faces that have had their meshes changed in some way

That said, a lot of it is probably due to haphazard use of Subdivision smoothing out detail

They didn't say they weren't going to make them look different. They said they were going to try and keep them from looking as different as possible.

This is why hyperbole is stupid and why the title should have avoided calling an extremely subjective matter "objective" because instead of actually leaving feedback, we are now going to get in to a 10 page argument about whose hyperbole is better.

There are a lot of legitimate concerns and grievances and feedback is good and can only help everyone be happy with their characters. It's a shame we have to waste that energy arguing semantics.

Originally Posted by Embran

They didn't say they weren't going to make them look different. They said they were going to try and keep them from looking as different as possible.

Based on OP's quotes, they literally did.

Even if that minor change to the phrasing was the case, it still means they didn't follow through, as- like I said- there are literal changes to certain facial features on meshes.

Originally Posted by Embran

Yoshida literally said at fanfest the reason they are giving everyone a free fantasia is because characters WILL look different and because people WILL have to tweak them to get the look they want or are used to.

Now we're arguing over boring semantics because of a title that could have been worded better.

My points don't have any relation to OP's title- I just used the word 'objective' too. I'm not sure it's just semantics, either.

I'm not certain on the timeline- do you happen to know the order in which the fantasia quote and OP's quotes happened?

Originally Posted by LordMcMutton

My points don't have any relation to OP's title- I just used the word 'objective' too. I'm not sure it's just semantics, either.

I'm not certain on the timeline- do you happen to know the order in which the fantasia quote and OP's quotes happened?

I am referencing Yoshida's JP fanfest quote where the free fantasia was announced, which is more recent by over two years.

This is the problem with throwing the word "objective" around like this.

Originally Posted by LordMcMutton

Based on OP's quotes, they literally did.

Even if that minor change to the phrasing was the case, it still means they didn't follow through, as- like I said- there are literal changes to certain facial features on meshes.

They said "overall appearance of player characters will be altered as little as possible."

"As little as possible" quite literally means still altered to some degree.

If that weren't the case there would be no point in handing out a free fantasia to everyone.

Originally Posted by CidHeiral

They said "overall appearance of player characters will be altered as little as possible."

"As little as possible" quite literally means still altered to some degree.

If that weren't the case there would be no point in handing out a free fantasia to everyone.

They're changing the graphics, of course they'd be altered. Just putting the same models in the new lighting will alter how they look somewhat.

The point of the fantasia would be for changing eye color or skin color if they don't quite look the same with the new lighting. Not for making a whole new character because they completely changed the face you were using for no good reason.