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    Banriikku's Avatar
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    Kasumi Bunja
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    This isn't feedback. This isn't constructive criticism. This just sounds like entitled whining. Granted, I have not read any of your other posts in regards to the matter. I am talking about this one specifically and other rants of the same cloth.

    Fact of the matter is you have no choice but to wait until launch, and even then it's not like this is going to be hot fixed in an emergency update. We won't see any updates to this until 7.1 at best, or around seven months, and that's low balling it. The dev team is very likely going to be addressing the fundamental technical setbacks and gameplay issues based on high duty feedback from trusted savage raiders as their first and foremost priority. This is even more true if they make substantial changes. Buckle up.

    This graphical update is cosmetic. I understand and relate to emotional attachment to one's own character, as does the dev team. But at the end of the day, that's what it is. It's fine to leave feedback, it's fine to express criticism, but be an adult about it.

    Many players have strong and legitimate concerns about these updates and are able to express themselves as adults without sounding like they are owed something.
    What ? The technical part is a valid critique and needs fixing. What should i tell them further? The first page here is FULL of examples.
    For the change in shape and colors, it is obvious more options most importantly the old ones. The problem is not that we got new stuff. The problem is the character creator is extremly limited and those little options are changed drasticly. So more options would elevate or even solve the problem as a whole.

    This is a discussion. And many people discuss things and some opinions you will not like or agree. I disagree with your points almost entirely but i do not disregard them or tell you they invalid. I simply do not share them.

    Also as far as i see this, this is a personal attack. You dont know what i am attached to or not and so forth. But no worries, no harm done. Its ok. I know you love the game and emotions are a thing.
    Have a good day ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    When I saw that we were going from Broil III at 290 potency in ShB to Broil IV at 295 potency in EW, I was shaking with how excited I was. I couldn't believe they were so generous with a whole 5 potency. I'm going to probably scream in excitement when 7.0 comes out and Broil V hits 300 potency, playing SCH going to be WILD once it hits 300!!!

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    I don't think hyperbolic click-bait is very helpful and just dilutes genuine concerns raised by other people.
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    I did notice all the default Male hyur selections didn't look good. I don't know if they did before.

    But part of it is the smoothing out of the models to remove polygons; high-definition textures revealing detail that couldn't be seen before; light reflecting more and doing shadows properly adding more shine to places. I do think lips have changed.

    One of the main differences I notice is just that the look some people were attached to was the fact it was low res. Once it is more real looking, it's not always the same and the only way to get the look back would simply be for it to look less realistic.

    If there is an actual bug I think it should be put in the bug forum though, because we have to separate feedback and opinions from objective bugs such as clipping issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Tbh, these threads aren't generating tons of likes and posts, from what I've observed. On other social media I see a lot of flattering photos and people pleased with their character.

    I'm going to say there's a bit of the usual forum change resistance happening right now, mixed with some actual poor design decisions like making lips duller, making eyes look dead inside, etc. I'm not saying there isn't real criticism but it's buried under a certain segment of the player base that craves outrage and just like up the echo chamber of outrage posts to varying degrees of success depending on the topic at hand.

    Tldr Objective failure is a reach. A lot of characters do look better and people just don't like it. But yes, some have problems.
    Yeah... there are also those that just really dont care what they do with any graphical updates, me certainly being one, good graphics, bad graphics, meh, personally more curious on any content improvements from whats been mentioned only ever briefly...
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    Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the changes and they should definitely leave their feedback, but using the place everyone comes to complain as proof everyone hates the update is confirmation bias. People that are pleased as punch with the update aren't typically going to come here just to say "I love it, good job!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by CidHeiral View Post
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the changes and they should definitely leave their feedback, but using the place everyone comes to complain as proof everyone hates the update is confirmation bias. People that are pleased as punch with the update aren't typically going to come here just to say "I love it, good job!"
    More than that, I’ve already said I liked the updates in other threads and I’ve just gotten pushback like “good for you, nobody asked” from people who are frustrated by them. I understand why others would want to drown out the positive sentiment regarding the updates in hopes that they don’t go through, but expressing positive sentiment here usually paints a target on your back. I dare not say that I enjoyed Endwalker’s MSQ.
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    As stated, I don't word good.

    The part I was attempting to be objective about was Cbu3's verifiable words and the general sentiment I gathered from this forum.

    I could have used stronger language, but I am used to avoiding conflict and expressing my thoughts, hence the self depricating part about me regretting making the post. Making a post like this is rare for me. I've been thinking this over for a day and decided to get drunk and say "to hell with it."

    I didn't think my post was that hyperbolic as, given the sentiment on this forum that I have seen, Cbu3 did fail their stated goal. That is my genuine concern.

    I'm not so stubborn as to deny that my statements are flawed. My exposure to thoughts outside this forum is limited. Still, I felt compelled to share my thoughts, even if people disagreed with them.

    If I were to take the time to use Twitter and reddit, I'm sure I'd find overflowing positivity. There is a lot of good in what was presented, but I focused on the bad because there is also a lot of bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sahroo View Post
    I didn't think my post was that hyperbolic as, given the sentiment on this forum that I have seen, Cbu3 did fail their stated goal. That is my genuine concern.
    The problem is that the data you're pulling is an extremely tiny percentage of the overall player base, and one that is predisposed to have a negative opinion. This makes any conclusion you draw from that data ultimately meaningless.

    It doesn't seem like it's coming from a place of concern. It just seems like an excuse to make a "screw Square Enix, am I right guys?" thread and get a bunch of virtual high fives.

    Quote Originally Posted by Embran View Post
    More than that, I’ve already said I liked the updates in other threads and I’ve just gotten pushback like “good for you, nobody asked” from people who are frustrated by them. I understand why others would want to drown out the positive sentiment regarding the updates in hopes that they don’t go through, but expressing positive sentiment here usually paints a target on your back. I dare not say that I enjoyed Endwalker’s MSQ.
    lol same
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    Quote Originally Posted by CidHeiral View Post
    The problem is that the data you're pulling is an extremely tiny percentage of the overall player base, and one that is predisposed to have a negative opinion. This makes any conclusion you draw from that data ultimately meaningless.

    That doesn't matter- OP is objectively correct here

    It's a fact that CBU3 said they weren't going to make characters look different, and it's a fact that there are several faces that have had their meshes changed in some way

    That said, a lot of it is probably due to haphazard use of Subdivision smoothing out detail
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordMcMutton View Post
    That doesn't matter- OP is objectively correct here

    It's a fact that CBU3 said they weren't going to make characters look different, and it's a fact that there are several faces that have had their meshes changed in some way

    That said, a lot of it is probably due to haphazard use of Subdivision smoothing out detail
    They didn't say they weren't going to make them look different. They said they were going to try and keep them from looking as different as possible.

    This is why hyperbole is stupid and why the title should have avoided calling an extremely subjective matter "objective" because instead of actually leaving feedback, we are now going to get in to a 10 page argument about whose hyperbole is better.

    There are a lot of legitimate concerns and grievances and feedback is good and can only help everyone be happy with their characters. It's a shame we have to waste that energy arguing semantics.
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