Thread: The 7.0 Graphical update preview is an objective failure

I don't think hyperbolic click-bait is very helpful and just dilutes genuine concerns raised by other people.

I did notice all the default Male hyur selections didn't look good. I don't know if they did before.

But part of it is the smoothing out of the models to remove polygons; high-definition textures revealing detail that couldn't be seen before; light reflecting more and doing shadows properly adding more shine to places. I do think lips have changed.

One of the main differences I notice is just that the look some people were attached to was the fact it was low res. Once it is more real looking, it's not always the same and the only way to get the look back would simply be for it to look less realistic.

If there is an actual bug I think it should be put in the bug forum though, because we have to separate feedback and opinions from objective bugs such as clipping issues.

Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Tbh, these threads aren't generating tons of likes and posts, from what I've observed. On other social media I see a lot of flattering photos and people pleased with their character.

I'm going to say there's a bit of the usual forum change resistance happening right now, mixed with some actual poor design decisions like making lips duller, making eyes look dead inside, etc. I'm not saying there isn't real criticism but it's buried under a certain segment of the player base that craves outrage and just like up the echo chamber of outrage posts to varying degrees of success depending on the topic at hand.

Tldr Objective failure is a reach. A lot of characters do look better and people just don't like it. But yes, some have problems.

Yeah... there are also those that just really dont care what they do with any graphical updates, me certainly being one, good graphics, bad graphics, meh, personally more curious on any content improvements from whats been mentioned only ever briefly...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the changes and they should definitely leave their feedback, but using the place everyone comes to complain as proof everyone hates the update is confirmation bias. People that are pleased as punch with the update aren't typically going to come here just to say "I love it, good job!"

Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the changes and they should definitely leave their feedback, but using the place everyone comes to complain as proof everyone hates the update is confirmation bias. People that are pleased as punch with the update aren't typically going to come here just to say "I love it, good job!"

More than that, I’ve already said I liked the updates in other threads and I’ve just gotten pushback like “good for you, nobody asked” from people who are frustrated by them. I understand why others would want to drown out the positive sentiment regarding the updates in hopes that they don’t go through, but expressing positive sentiment here usually paints a target on your back. I dare not say that I enjoyed Endwalker’s MSQ.

Originally Posted by sahroo

I didn't think my post was that hyperbolic as, given the sentiment on this forum that I have seen, Cbu3 did fail their stated goal. That is my genuine concern.

The problem is that the data you're pulling is an extremely tiny percentage of the overall player base, and one that is predisposed to have a negative opinion. This makes any conclusion you draw from that data ultimately meaningless.

It doesn't seem like it's coming from a place of concern. It just seems like an excuse to make a "screw Square Enix, am I right guys?" thread and get a bunch of virtual high fives.

Originally Posted by Embran

More than that, I’ve already said I liked the updates in other threads and I’ve just gotten pushback like “good for you, nobody asked” from people who are frustrated by them. I understand why others would want to drown out the positive sentiment regarding the updates in hopes that they don’t go through, but expressing positive sentiment here usually paints a target on your back. I dare not say that I enjoyed Endwalker’s MSQ.

lol same

Originally Posted by CidHeiral

The problem is that the data you're pulling is an extremely tiny percentage of the overall player base, and one that is predisposed to have a negative opinion. This makes any conclusion you draw from that data ultimately meaningless.

That doesn't matter- OP is objectively correct here

It's a fact that CBU3 said they weren't going to make characters look different, and it's a fact that there are several faces that have had their meshes changed in some way

That said, a lot of it is probably due to haphazard use of Subdivision smoothing out detail

Originally Posted by LordMcMutton

That doesn't matter- OP is objectively correct here

It's a fact that CBU3 said they weren't going to make characters look different, and it's a fact that there are several faces that have had their meshes changed in some way

That said, a lot of it is probably due to haphazard use of Subdivision smoothing out detail

They didn't say they weren't going to make them look different. They said they were going to try and keep them from looking as different as possible.

This is why hyperbole is stupid and why the title should have avoided calling an extremely subjective matter "objective" because instead of actually leaving feedback, we are now going to get in to a 10 page argument about whose hyperbole is better.

There are a lot of legitimate concerns and grievances and feedback is good and can only help everyone be happy with their characters. It's a shame we have to waste that energy arguing semantics.