New Tank Skills

[GoatOfWar]

It's the first time there's genuinely nothing for Warrior left to take from Dark knight or Gunbreaker, so i have no clue what Warrior will get.
Gnb might see a Double down follow up.
I'm guessing they merged paladin's abilties with that spin?
Dark knight probably gets an enhanced 123 or bloodspiller.

[SargeTheSeagull]

Dark knight probably gets an enhanced 123 or bloodspiller.

DRK uses bloodspiller earlier in the benchmark so its probably not that

[Rithy255]

It's the first time there's genuinely nothing for Warrior left to take from Dark knight or Gunbreaker, so i have no clue what Warrior will get.
Gnb might see a Double down follow up.
I'm guessing they merged paladin's abilties with that spin?
Dark knight probably gets an enhanced 123 or bloodspiller.

It's gonna be a second invul that's the exact same as PLD's but shorter they will keep holmgang obviously because warrior is weak, they're also going to get old stormblood cover with the 20% built in mitigation (100% serious!)

I actually wouldn't be surprised if warrior just got more then every other tank again though for real lol.

Oh yeah before i forget they will get passage of rocks, it's a 20% AOE mitigation that you don't have to hold in a cone like PLD.

[Kabooa]

It's gonna be a second invul that's the exact same as PLD's but shorter they will keep holmgang obviously because warrior is weak, they're also going to get old stormblood cover with the 20% built in mitigation (100% serious!)

I actually wouldn't be surprised if warrior just got more then every other tank again though for real lol.

Oh yeah before i forget they will get passage of rocks, it's a 20% AOE mitigation that you don't have to hold in a cone like PLD.

Your next attack can hit allies and gives them a shield equal to twice the damage you deal to them.

[Zairava]

PLD - looks like a req upgrade

WAR - looks like a vengeance upgrade that allows them to protect a party member.

GNB - looks like a continuation for Fated Circle

DRK - looks like a new GCD combo (and a damn cool one at that). It looks like it could potentially by 3 GCD's long (4 if counting Bloodspiller) I have a couple guesses on this.

1) Delirium functions as basically DRK requiescat and we get the entire combo (3 to 4 part combo) on our Bloodspiller ability

2) Using Bloodspiller upgrades our 1-2-3

I do hope we have more mechanical changes on DRK in Dawntrail but we won't know that until the liveletter on may 16th (or the media tour...depending on how much they want to keep under wraps)

[Oizen]

If anything I just hope they're more ok with GNB DRK existing as the big damage tanks and WAR/PLD existing as the big support tanks.

I'm excited to see what DRK GCDs could be like.

[GoatOfWar]

If anything I just hope they're more ok with GNB DRK existing as the big damage tanks and WAR/PLD existing as the big support tanks.

I'm excited to see what DRK GCDs could be like.

I'm excited for the new GCD's too, but i'm also worried.
At the start of EW, we got Shadowbringer - which made Drk and Gnb the dps tanks.
But in the end, Drk just kinda became the worst at everything tanks do because they didn't want to tax the other tanks for their utility and sustain anymore.
Is it going to be a dps increase, or will it simply be yet another extra step to accomplish less than what the others do?

[Oizen]

I'm excited for the new GCD's too, but i'm also worried.
At the start of EW, we got Shadowbringer - which made Drk and Gnb the dps tanks.
But in the end, Drk just kinda became the worst at everything tanks do because they didn't want to tax the other tanks for their utility and sustain anymore.
Is it going to be a dps increase, or will it simply be yet another extra step to accomplish less than what the others do?

Its a fair concern, and I'm hoping that WAR's new Passage of Arms/Cover esque skill cements the design of WAR and PLD being Big support tanks with GNB and DRK being big damage tanks. They seem to be moving away from heavy damage checks as of anabaseios so I hope that design returns.

If this means the parse meta is locked into DRK/GNB parties, so what? Parsers hate fun anyway.

[Sazuzaki]

Parsers hate fun anyway.

Truer words have never been said.

[Lyth]

If they are actually revising the 120s cooldowns, then perhaps they should actually use the opportunity to rectify the arbitrary advantage that Vengeance has over all the other 120 second recast defensives.

While I'd hope that the DRK actions could represent a new combo, I wonder if one of them could be just the merger of Abyssal Drain and C+S.

Its a fair concern, and I'm hoping that WAR's new Passage of Arms/Cover esque skill cements the design of WAR and PLD being Big support tanks with GNB and DRK being big damage tanks.

This is very optimistic. You're locked into utility and defensive advantages for the expansion. In practice, that means that WARs will greedily gobble up those utility advantages that they know you'll never get revised mid-expansion. You'll then see those same players turn around and complain en masse that the 50 rDPS advantage that you got from the deal is locking them out of week 1 parties on fights that they are unable to clear without Echo anyways. You'll then end up with both less damage and less utility by the first or second tier, just like in every other expansion we've seen to date.

The only role where 'utility vs. damage' ever holds true is on Casters, and that's because it's the producer's home turf.