We need to compromise as a player base

[Fuyume]

That's a good example of how there is simply no objective reinterpretation of the old characters: all those flaws you point out, to me they were already there in the original version, just a little less defined. To you they were a defect to be ignored and hopefully fixed in the new version, and evidently to the artist who did this they were a part of the character that needed to be brought out.

Likewise I used to play a miqo'te and one of the thing I didn't like was how the cheeks and lips looked a bit puffy. I knew the upgrade could go two ways about it: either remove it and "streamline" the face to something more classical, or on the contrary consider it part of the character and define it better so it was no longer possibly to overlook it. The later is what happened. But I can't say the character is different, it's just that a detail I could pretend didn't exist has become impossible to ignore.

I'm gonna need you to point out where she has dimples in the live game cause I've gposed her extensively and even ripped her into Blender and she absolutely does not have any dimples. Honestly if they could just remove those even I could live with overly pouty lips and a round face because playing a "dragon" person (disclaimer: I know they're not related to dragons at all) is more important to me, but now she looks just overly cute. Like she should be holding a white mage staff on the backline instead of a greatsword or scythe in the front.

[Souljacker]

Well, so far all I've seen is constructive criticism from lots of users with details and screenshots. This forum doesn't have the sort of whining that plagues other forums - Steam for example. The players have been thoughtful and constructive and posts like this, passive-aggressive "both sides" attempting to appear reasonable as if this just isn't the time to air grievances and the players need to take a step back, well I don't think that's very helpful at all.

[Raim]

I am not sure if people saying "It looks the same. It must just be the lighting." are being disingenuous or blind. They have completely changes mouths, noses, fangs and in some cases eye shapes on many faces. Its not people being 'confused' by lighting.

[Ath192]

I just don't understand why they thought changing a face's shape, in some cases quite drastically, would be well received. Those of us who chose that face did so for a reason. For an example, for myself, if I wanted dimples and round cheeks and a pouty mouth, I would've just made a face 1 au ra, why'd they have to hit face 4 with the cutification beam? I've always had a problem with how much more soft and delicate fem au ra look versus how aggressive and strong male au ra look, and "beautifying" the only face that didn't look like a perfect doll just made it worse.

I am sure the biggest reason we chose our face was because most of us compromised and chose a face we were mostly okay with given that there are only 4 faces to choose from and millions of players play this game. As such, perhaps while also pointing out these preferences it may also be a good thing to point out we need a character creation revamp with many more options so we can make something less generic.

I absolutely agree with another user who posted that releasing the update without doing anything to the character creator may have not been the best move, it would give the players something they've been wanting forever, choice, and diffuse the changes to make it harder to compare 1:1 features since everything was much more changed in how characters were built for example. But this is something they can still work on and make it better for a future release imo.

[Khiana]

Luckily I am more accepting of change as I have only been playing since Shadowbringers, but at the same time with how limited the character creator is anyway, I have an idea of my character in my head and that will not change even if the visual graphics do. I think some nitpicks i've seen are absolutely silly, and some are very justifiable, but demanding something regardless is not feedback nor is it constructive.
I am all go for the overall changes. I do feel some things need to be tweaked in places and the only things that bother me have been brought up by people plenty, but should they not be amended they will not hamper my enjoyment of the game. My imagination, albeit limited these days, has seen to that.

[Evergrey]

I am not sure if people saying "It looks the same. It must just be the lighting." are being disingenuous or blind. They have completely changes mouths, noses, fangs and in some cases eye shapes on many faces. Its not people being 'confused' by lighting.

Obvious sarcasm aside, yes, models have had changes in certain things, like nose, lips, etc.
But light and shadow can have a big part in how something looks.
And comparing the light/shadow from live version and the benchmark, the benchmark one doesn't look finished to me. Feels like there's something missing or something.

[Teno]

Devs know that people criticize because they love the game and want it to be better, not out of pure malice. They won't say "fk this, we give up on the graphics", on the contrary.

Especially since most of the complaints have a rather elaborate reasoning behind them, it's not just some random baseless trashing.

[noumen0nn]

They didn’t take your character from you. When looked at objectively, if you showed the two pictures of your character to a third party that does not play this game and told them they were the same character they would believe you without thinking twice. People are just pixel peeping. So yes, there are subtle differences but I do think they were trying to be faithful to the original low res character.

Further more, it is absolutely worth the heart break of losing a low resolution character when the new one looks similar enough if it means the game will look better over all and attract new players and stay fresh. After all very few people would keep playing the game if everyone quit, and that’s exactly what happens to most outdated games.

So again, provide your feedback about what you would like to see but look at the larger picture. They are VERY similar. If they had to rework assets in the characters I’m sure there were reasons for the differences, adding polygons will slightly alter looks, the person who designed some features originally may no longer be there and the new designer rebuilt the asset in a way they thought was similar, etc etc…

The characters look undeniably similar. I saw you on another page here accusing someone else of being rude, all that’s being asked is that you don’t be rude to the devs and be understanding.

I actually did show my comparison screenshots to several of my friends who don't play the game, and all of them had pretty much the same reaction I did. Furthermore, I really need everyone in these threads to please differentiate from expressing upset and being rude. Saying I hate the changes is not rude. Dismissing people out of hand, like the person I was replying to was doing, is. I just made my own topic going over the minute details that I take issue with, so you're welcome to comment on my feedback there.

[Ath192]

I actually did show my comparison screenshots to several of my friends who don't play the game, and all of them had pretty much the same reaction I did. Furthermore, I really need everyone in these threads to please differentiate from expressing upset and being rude. Saying I hate the changes is not rude. Dismissing people out of hand, like the person I was replying to was doing, is. I just made my own topic going over the minute details that I take issue with, so you're welcome to comment on my feedback there.

I would like to see the wording because if you led them on as to what to look for or what your grievances were it may have impacted their perception because when I showed the picture of your character in the thread you made to an unsuspecting person this is the response I got:



I will translate for you:
"It looks like a vampire that belongs to the aristocracy."

There is no mention whatsoever of hey thats not the same character or are you sure? They look kind of different to me. He did not question the fact he was looking at the same thing in both pictures. This comparison definitely passed the stranger test with flying colors.

[Fuyume]

I would like to see the wording because if you led them on as to what to look for or what your grievances were it may have impacted their perception because when I showed the picture of your character in the thread you made to an unsuspecting person this is the response I got:



I will translate for you:
"It looks like a vampire that belongs to the aristocracy."

There is no mention whatsoever of hey thats not the same character or are you sure? They look kind of different to me. He did not question the fact he was looking at the same thing in both pictures. This comparison definitely passed the stranger test with flying colors.

Not the original person you were replying to, but I showed my character to my husband with the before and after and he said it looked like she was constantly holding air in her cheeks. So sure, same character, but also not looking the same. And I'll be walking through DT with her looking like she's holding her breath with these round cheeks and dimpled mouth corners.
https://imgur.com/a/ne2RiCu