We need to compromise as a player base

[KhujaRela]

Why should I be supportive of a graphical overhaul I didn't ask for that ruined my character? The eyes, lips, eyebrows and skin look ugly now. Where's the graphical upgrade? They've downgraded my character in every way. If I showed this to someone who doesn't play this game and asked them what they thought of the new graphics, they'd think the new improved graphics are shown in the right picture.

So yeah, SE, here's the change I'm asking: roll it back the way it was.

Excuse me for using your character as example please... But the main differences I see are: color of eyebrows (that can affect how the face expression is perceived), the light on the eyes that is a major issue and affects most currently, I can see a change in the eyelashes density and texture, not a big one but it's there, the lip gloss is also a texture thing but I can't see a major change in her lips shape. Also the jaw is a bit lower and softer but very very little, it may even be just the light ticking our eyes.

In my opinion on your character -again just to give an example, hope you don't get upset- I believe that if color/shine on eyebrows, eyelashes and lips were changed you may like her again.
But I also thing most options should be like new options or toggle on/off in case other people do like the new versions...

[Reinha]

In my opinion on your character -again just to give an example, hope you don't get upset- I believe that if color/shine on eyebrows, eyelashes and lips were changed you may like her again. But I also thing most options should be like new options or toggle on/off in case other people do like the new versions...

If they manage to fix what they broke on the eyes, the lips and the eyebrows in just over 2 months, it would be passable.

What I don't understand is them going through with a graphical overhaul which for the most part seems to be a downgrade across the board. What are the improvements this change was supposed to bring us? Having glowsticks for ears? Exhilarating. Every change so far seems to be either unnecessary or straight up made something worse than it was.

[the-kuponut]

"They look fine to me" "They look the same" "They improved"

Cool but you're not the one going to play their character? It's not up to you to decide if they're the same or not, it's not up to you to decide if it ruins another's experience of the game, your opinion doesn't matter because this is not your character and you're not the one going to stare at them for the next 10 years.

Again, this is not a charity, this is a product, people can and should voice their opinions and dissatisfaction. It's so weird how some formed this parasocial relationship with a multi-billion dollar company, that they think that you're not allowed to voice any dissatisfaction or you're a "child". Apparently, adults are supposed to just consume everything without question. Yes they want to give you something you like so they get paid, not because they love you.

They're here to deliver a PRODUCT, because they want money and satisfied customers give that, they don't do it because you're their friend. It's their job to give you a product worth your money. It's not your business to police others who are paying customers on what they find acceptable. Stop policing others about their feelings.

Both improved graphics and retaining the characteristic looks can exist. Even the benchmark page says that this isn't final, in other words, feedback is needed at this stage before everything gets finalized.

[Glenfiddich]

I'm sure we'll find something we like with the phantasia...

They have messed up things that you can't fix with Fantasia. Unless they make these things a new Option in the Character Customization Menu.

As players, we need to keep pointing out issues but be supportive of this direction to change the game for the better.

Is this supposed to be Sarcasm?

I've said it many times and I'll say it again.
The people working at Square Enix aren't as good as many may think they are.
Look at all the copy and paste Armor (and recently they even have put a copy and paste Glamour in the Cashh shop), Mounts and even Content.
The bad Character Customization and Armor Coloring.
No head gear for Viera for years.
And now they have ruined our Character Models with this poor attempt to make things better.
I'll say it out loud. These Guys have to go. Make room for more skilled people. And by these Guys I mean Mr. Naoki Yoshida and his overrated Devs who are responsible for this Character Customization mess.
I know, Mr. Yoshida is praised as the Saviour of FF14. But now he is about to ruin this Game for many Players.
We shoudn't be supportive of such poor work.

[SongOfTheWind]

The problem with compromising and shipping it as is for now - is that it will cement new features for new players to use and then what? You are going to take it away from them? Some things are obviously bugs, but some are just shapes changes which could be seen by someone else as appealing but they currently ruin/change the existing characters. That is why it is important to backtrack.

[Voidmage]

Is this here where I give feedback?

Never post here but I wanted to give my two cents regarding the update.
I'm happy with it. Small thing like the keeper fangs and the beard stubble aside I like the updated stuff.

I would like too keep the updated stuff with little tweeks here and there.
But I'm also not too attached to the look of my cat so I guess I can understand some of the negative feedback.
Guess it would help if square said that the feedback was heard and they will work on it but please don't roll back the update because of it.

[moodud]

My honest feeling about all of this is people at least need to make a fair comparison - taking photo of the character in the same lighting and camera angle - before saying anything.
The outdoor lighting in benchmark somehow keep changing and the character will randomly get wet and look totally awful. This could be genuine mistakes or bugs and probably will be prioritize for fix.

The new graphic update is inevitable. It's okay to make criticism and request for changes but be fair about it. Moreover it will be even better if you are able to explain in details what and where in the new graphic differs from the previous one and how it made you dislike them. Including the facial types in question would be even more helpful I think.

[Ceetee]

My honest feeling about all of this is people at least need to make a fair comparison - taking photo of the character in the same lighting and camera angle - before saying anything.
The outdoor lighting in benchmark somehow keep changing and the character will randomly get wet and look totally awful. This could be genuine mistakes or bugs and probably will be prioritize for fix.

The new graphic update is inevitable. It's okay to make criticism and request for changes but be fair about it. Moreover it will be even better if you are able to explain in details what and where in the new graphic differs from the previous one and how it made you dislike them. Including the facial types in question would be even more helpful I think.

Yeah I don't think the lighting is whats responsible for removing mooncats teeth or plastering people in mascara they can't remove, actually.

[moodud]

Yeah I don't think the lighting is whats responsible for removing mooncats teeth or plastering people in mascara they can't remove, actually.

And that is an entirely different thing from what I meant.

I often see people nitpicking between 2 photos with different lighting/angle and at worst one is taken when wet. I'm sorry but that's not how you make comparisons. I will not take that feedback seriously.

[Somnolence]

My honest feeling about all of this is people at least need to make a fair comparison - taking photo of the character in the same lighting and camera angle - before saying anything.

Its nearly impossible to do this due to lightning changes, would need something like extreme Reshade filter that overrides everything on both old and new engine.