Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional

[Temulun]

I know I'm a little late to the party and they've already addressed most of the feedback but I'd like to add a bit anyway. If I'm doing this in the wrong place I apologize, I'm new to writing on the forum. I put my opinions on the face paint over here. Sorry I can't get the quote to work to add it to this thread. TLDR some of the face paint is on the neck and I'd like it not to be.

Some other notes that I think may already have been addressed:

Of course the lips on mouth 4 for female au ra have been talked about and I'm sure they're going to fix. The gloss is not just a character creator issue, it looks matte in the benchmark. I didn't mind the cupids bow or the bottom lip being slightly different but I know that's an issue for many and I don't mind if they stay with original design, but I think the lack of the lip part and the bump on the bottom of the upper lip makes it look strange. This is Female Au Ra mouth 4 and male Lalafell mouth 1.





I like how the horns look but I think the scales look like they lack a little definition the old version had that makes them look a little flat and like they're not part of her skin, hopefully that gets fixed with the update to character creator lighting. Or maybe that's due to the pixelated edges some people have pointed out. I also appreciate how the details come through on parts of the scales that are painted.




I'd also like to note that I like the increase in detail of the eyes, I like the decision to make the pupils bigger, and while the limbal rings look strange in character creator like they're a little too thick it looks much better in the actual benchmark so I'm happy with the eyes. The creator doesn't quite do them justice. I know some people didn't like it I just think mine look fine.





I appreciate the devs hearing people's feedback and working to fix it.

[Rueby]

Honestly my biggest fear with Zenos, especially now that the benchmark is out and a lot of features have been sandblasted, is that they'll shrink his big nose. It and his soft, round, "hasn't slept in a week" face do a lot to make him stand out in the sea of violent prettyboy swordsmen, but at least his other facial features were always in his concept art. If they made his hair less spaghetti I wouldn't be as worried because that always looked more like a technical limitation, but the core details of his face I feel are in very real danger of being lost and I don't think he's the only one. Other slightly scrungled characters will likely have core features removed if they don't pivot direction now.

Just thinking about it makes me really sad honestly, he's my favorite character of all time and I think he's really beautiful. The only thing I thought of were the low texture (artifacting) around his eyes. His face wasn't angular by any means but it wasn't round and soft, he had a strange mix of sharp/soft features especially his side view on his jaw.



Memories of him is all I have left since EW...I'm worried he'd lost all the uniqueness that I fell in love with. I was really shocked to see how horrible he looked in the EW trailer. Hell his post SB (ShB) flashback thing had more gorgeous looking eyes and eyebrows than the entire EW trailer.

I really wish he'd turn out abit like how he looks in Dissidia...

[AirisRay]

Some people have a hard time understanding how the forum works in general, but they stubbornly try to convict someone of something with phrases taken out of context and out of conversation.
I don’t even know whether to laugh or cry with pity for such boundless and meaningless persistence.

Reminder. By clicking on the icon next to the nickname in the quote, you can go to the original message and understand its full context, as well as see what exactly the person answered and reacted to.
Therefore, all these efforts with “incriminating” random quotes are... simply ridiculous

[Scintilla]

Some people have a hard time understanding how the forum works in general, but they stubbornly try to convict someone of something with phrases taken out of context and out of conversation.
I don’t even know whether to laugh or cry with pity for such boundless and meaningless persistence.

Reminder. By clicking on the icon next to the nickname in the quote, you can go to the original message and understand its full context, as well as see what exactly the person answered and reacted to.
Therefore, all these efforts with “incriminating” random quotes are... simply ridiculous

I think you'll find all of them to be in response to an opinion which the poster didn't agree with. If I was taking them out of context, the most obvious thing to do would be to copy the text and unlink the comment from the post.

So further to this:

Were these posts polite, respectful and conducive to an open discussion?

I'll give you a hint: the answer is 'No'

[cutestfox]

If I was taking them out of context

Yeah. You were taking them out of context and being disingenuous as usual

Here's the complete context chain condensed into one image

[Tethan]

Unless I've missed a section where a group of posters have suddenly started chatting about their summer holiday plans, the posts have remained on topic - discussing the graphics changes, the extent to which they've been changed, and whether or not they feel it's acceptable. Purely because some of the opinions posted do not match the general consensus within the thread, it doesn't mean they're trolling or derailing it. To suggest otherwise shows a complete disinclination towards an open discussion.

And yet it seems that thread derails every time you post. You should reconsider your behaviour. On the other hand, it bumps the thread every time you start fights, so this is very helpful for exposure. People mostly only see my opening post and don't care about some fight happening in the back pages. So thank you!

[Sumoo]

I see allot of my issues were already talked about being adjusted, the eyes being dull and lifeless losing that charming almost anime feel we have now. so I wont go into those. The fangs on moon miqote need to be brought back, i know this has been said before so ill leave that as is.

My main other concern with my character is they have made her eyelashes feel too long and given her a kind of doll like appearance that is not me or my character at all, I prefer my eye shape to stay the same, i know why they did it to fix the odd skin around the inside upper part of the eyes on my chosen face but, longer lashes isnt the right solution. My character is not a doll of a girl. Ill show pictures of before and after to show this.







As you can see the eye lashes are way to long, please find a way to match the old more. I do not want to be so dolled up.

[Anarnee]

As you can see the eye lashes are way to long, please find a way to match the old more. I do not want to be so dolled up.

Do you think you could post some 3/4 angles too? From this angle I can see what you mean that they look longer, or rather fuller maybe? but like they've changed where they seem to lay in the waterline, which is a drastically different look for sure. I'd even say that they made them look thinner in the inner corners, and thicker in the outer?



That's also one of the issues I have with my Female Roegadyn, they've changed how the eyelashes sit/angle, and on my girl it makes her eyes look sharp, that combined with some lip changes give her a very different expression.

I think that it could be fixed as one of the data/texture issues mentioned in the announcement earlier, but just in case not, it would be really nice to have some more examples of this to better articulate not just for me but for other that are bothered, on how they can maybe fix some of these changes, should they do the update and we still not be happy.

[Rueby]

Do you think you could post some 3/4 angles too? From this angle I can see what you mean that they look longer, or rather fuller maybe? but like they've changed where they seem to lay in the waterline, which is a drastically different look for sure. I'd even say that they made them look thinner in the inner corners, and thicker in the outer?



That's also one of the issues I have with my Female Roegadyn, they've changed how the eyelashes sit/angle, and on my girl it makes her eyes look sharp, that combined with some lip changes give her a very different expression.

I think that it could be fixed as one of the data/texture issues mentioned in the announcement earlier, but just in case not, it would be really nice to have some more examples of this to better articulate not just for me but for other that are bothered, on how they can maybe fix some of these changes, should they do the update and we still not be happy.

I have two sliders, one from below and one from belowish 3/4 that shows abit of the eyelashes. Maybe it helps?

Slider
3/4 Slider?

[Anarnee]

I have two sliders, one from below and one from belowish 3/4 that shows abit of the eyelashes. Maybe it helps?

Incredibly helpful! Thank you!!!

Edit: Lining them up and looking at them it's almost like... I donno... They flipped the lashes? New ones def seem thick in the outer corner, thinner on the inner and it opposite for the old ones.