Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional

[AirisRay]

My original post may have been unclear.

Say there is someone else out there who happened to make a character identical to yours. The benchmark comes out and you hate it. This other person loves it and thinks their character looks perfect, they don't see any differences other than it being in HD. Who is correct?

As another example, I think Face 1 Highlander turned out fantastic. I've seen other posts that say it looks like garbage and nothing like their character. Who is correct?

Now obviously the answer is both and neither, everyone is entitled to their opinion on their own character. The thought experiment was more about how the developers respond to conflicting feedback about the same thing.

Side note, I think it's pretty silly to say someone's opinion on aesthetics is worth more just because they've played the game longer.

It seems you didn't read my message. I wasn't talking about aesthetic perception, I was talking about the accuracy of the upgrade. If facial features don't match, it's wrong. If someone liked this discrepancy, it would be logical to ask SE to add exactly this type of face and its features to the game. And for people who are accustomed to their previous facial features, return them in their original form.
It's not about aesthetics, but about a familiar appearance that many people would like to get back.

I think it's incorrect to reduce everything only to aesthetic perception, when we were all told in plain text: “your characters will look like themselves”. Nobody said that we would have to make some kind of aesthetic choice. Try to find a quote like this from Naoki Yoshida.

Why should I even consider your aesthetic taste when I choosing my character? I want to play the character I created for myself, not for you. And my requests to fix it and return it to its previous form are reasonable. Your claims to my requests are not reasonable.
Our characters have become different. Not the ones we created many years ago. The key word here is "different".

p.s. Pretty silly? I see that at this point you have run out of arguments and have moved on to insults. Looks pretty pathetic.

upd: In my previous message, to which you are now responding, there is no word "aesthetics". It simply doesn't exist.
You made up this word, attributed it to me and called it pretty silly. This is definitely what your behavior looks like. And I’m glad that you understand this too, at least on a subconscious level.

[cutestfox]

"While preserving the overall look that you know and love!"

Well guess what. The "overall look that I know and love" wasn't preserved at all
I don't love it, I hate it completely. They missed the mark absolutely

[CNitsah]

"While preserving the overall look that you know and love!"

Well guess what. The "overall look that I know and love" wasn't preserved at all
I don't love it, I hate it completely. They missed the mark absolutely

There is also the japanese fanfest comment about people loving the dead eye Au Ra that aged like fine milk.

[LlymlaenGreene]

I also see that your character's lips have a completely different shape compared to the original, as well as a different texture. This is absolutely obvious.

Some people are on the forum all day long just to write "this is the same picture" to all comparison images.

Someone bring pictures and they say: "this is the same", "the light in CC is bad", "change the gamma", "this character looks beautiful to me", "it only seems to you", "it’s a matter of your perception", "take your pills, go outside", "too dramatic".
I don’t know what all this has to do with the changed face model, and I guess they themselves don’t know. There was already a post from 3D artist who showed how the very model of the face of one of the characters had changed, but this is also probably bad light for them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Your complaints are absolutely valid. Your feelings are absolutely valid. They promised to do one thing, but we got another. But in such situations it's very important to remember: we all came here in an attempt to draw the attention of SE to this problem. We didn't come here to try to convince people on the forum that our characters have really changed. Don't try to convince them of something, it's absolutely pointless. And they won't listen to you anyway.

I can advise you to leave your message on the Japanese forum, where the atmosphere is completely different. I also advise you to leave this message in "bug reports". My recent message about my character's defect was moved to "accepted bugs" and this greatly encourages me.




I also think your character looks different. Of course, in the new version she is not a "freak", but I understand why you say that and I understand your feelings. She's definitely not a freak, but she definitely looks not like before.
Due to the limit on the number of posts, I couldn't write this yesterday.

thank you very much, i appreciate that so much, because honestly i am very soft person, and even the internet people say me, what i am do something wrong i will be think about so long, even now i think about some messages what i got yesterday :3

[Rudje]

You know who I'm dreading this graphical update hitting? Zenos. He has that interesting adorable nose that I love so dearly. Please don't give my boy a nose job I love his stupid big nose and his blank lifeless deep blue eyes. It's funny how I'm worried more about him than my character ahahaha...Damn I wonder what they'd do to Emet Selch...or Varis. I can't imagine these people going soft and 'I've been moisturizing, my friend' or 'I've been moisturizing, hero'.

I'm laughing about it lmao

Honestly my biggest fear with Zenos, especially now that the benchmark is out and a lot of features have been sandblasted, is that they'll shrink his big nose. It and his soft, round, "hasn't slept in a week" face do a lot to make him stand out in the sea of violent prettyboy swordsmen, but at least his other facial features were always in his concept art. If they made his hair less spaghetti I wouldn't be as worried because that always looked more like a technical limitation, but the core details of his face I feel are in very real danger of being lost and I don't think he's the only one. Other slightly scrungled characters will likely have core features removed if they don't pivot direction now.

[AirisRay]

thank you very much, i appreciate that so much, because honestly i am very soft person, and even the internet people say me, what i am do something wrong or what i am ugly i will be think about so long, even now i think about some messages what i got yesterday :3

I'm so sorry to hear this! Please, don't take to heart what some people say here (and not only here) and don't get upset about it in any way! That is their goal and if you get upset about it, then they have achieved their goal.
Some people wrote to me yesterday that they were afraid to even post here after reading several threads... They were afraid that they would be bullied and gaslighted.
I almost never visited this forum. I spend time in other communities that are full of very kind and considerate people and honestly, I could not even imagine that there was so much anger on this forum.
But, really, it’s very important to remember why we are here. We are here to draw attention to the problem, not to feed the trolls Let them sit hungry

[LlymlaenGreene]

Side note, I think it's pretty silly to say someone's opinion on aesthetics is worth more just because they've played the game longer.

to be more precise, in my case I'm only talking about my character, which I play a lot and I think yes, my opinion about my set of characteristics has more weight * about the set of characteristics, I mean that if you look closely that even face 1 huyr, for example, has so much variety, as if these are different characters* than the weight of a person who even has a different race. If you argue with a person who has exactly the same appearance as my character and he likes his appearance and I don't like it, then yes, we have the same weight in our opinion.

That's what I mean by the same face, in my opinion it's completely different

[HollowedDoll]

There is also the japanese fanfest comment about people loving the dead eye Au Ra that aged like fine milk.

I'm pretty sure that was referring to the pupils which they enlarged with no rhyme nor reason not about the dead eye epidemic on all races due to no catchlights and undertuned reflection.

[Rudje]

Yeah, those referred to how the limbal rings were so bright they sometimes hid the eyecatch, or how the reduced color depth in Dunesfolk eyes could make them seem doll-eyed. It was something that while still not to everyone's taste still fit more within the style of the game.

[MrMordio]

I wanted to share my character as well. Mine is Midlander face 3, which looks strange at first in the character creator, but with some customization creates an expressive, wide-eyed babe with a cute set of puffy cheeks. If you look at this side-by-side (Original left, benchmark right) the face is overall less round and more narrow. The eyes are less defined, and the nose (glad they fixed the tip) looks like it goes deeper into the face, but I'm pretty sure that's because my cute, round face was toned down. Maybe some people consider the round face and puffy cheeks to be jarring or unattractive, but I personally like them.