Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional

[Roda]

My duskwight has the exact same issue with her eyebrows! They now have a smudge with a fully blonde streak drawn on top, when it used to have black in the mix making the whole brow look darker and more defined. Even when the hair is blonde it doesn't look good to fill in the brows with a white line, that's why I chose a face with dark brows in the first place.

Eyes are also dead looking because the top half is darker. If luster spots / light reflections are appearing right under the top lashes, light is clearly hitting that part of the eye. So why is it so dark?

Ah that's unfortunate... It looks like that black was supposed to suggest a shadow/3dimensionality and the color above it was supposed to be your actual eyebrow hair color :x
Now it looks like you just had the middle of your eyebrows shaved!! :x

(also, I think the top eyes look WAAAAAAAAAAAY better than the bottom eyes. They look way more alive than the cartoon "dot" shine with flat iris colors.)

[Reinha]

Now it looks like you just had the middle of your eyebrows shaved!! :x

Yes it does and honestly it's changed the character's face too much for me to enjoy it anymore. There is no gamma setting or lighting angle that will make my brows dark again and it is also not something I can toggle in the character creation menu.

[Shiro-Marusu]

I think most of us who think you guys are wildly overreacting can see the differences, we simply disagree that they are 'huge' and 'completely ruin' the character, who is now 'unrecognisable'. If I have to look at two more pictures of 99% identical catgirls and be told that they 'don't even look remotely similar' I will spontaneously combust.

I'm actually curious now what you think of the differences as highlighted in my posts here and here (the sliders show more examples)
Individually, the differences may be small, but add enough small differences together and you end up with an overall different impression, I would say.

I agree I can't see the differences as well in many other examples but I assumed it's because I haven't been looking at those characters as much (some are very obvious to me though, even if it's not my own character).

Whether other people /like/ the differences is sort of beside the point when people are arguing it no longer looks like their character, I think.

[SongOfTheWind]

I'm actually curious now what you think of the differences as highlighted in my posts here and here (the sliders show more examples)
Individually, the differences may be small, but add enough small differences together and you end up with an overall different impression, I would say.

I agree I can't see the differences as well in many other examples but I assumed it's because I haven't been looking at those characters as much (some are very obvious to me though, even if it's not my own character).

Whether other people /like/ the differences is sort of beside the point when people are arguing it no longer looks like their character, I think.

I think you did a great job personally, I was impressed. But if you keep engaging in these type of arguments - it will never end, as some past conversations here showed. It only invites more provocation as a result. A never ending cycle.
So it is obviously up to you, but ignore is a wonderful feature. I highly recommend.

[DiaDeem]

Um... barring the obvious lighter eyebrows...

I think the new eyes and make your character look very pretty, more unique, and a lot less like a cartoon. The glow in the lower part give her so much character while the top darker part makes them look deeper and more interesting... but that's just me though.

[Ryouu]

Endwalker :



Dawntrail :



Not a fan of the eye region change as well, eyebrows are too thin and shape changed.
Lost the overall sharpness of the eyes

[Shiro-Marusu]

I think you did a great job personally, I was impressed. But if you keep engaging in these type of arguments - it will never end, as some past conversations here showed. It only invites more provocation as a result. A never ending cycle.
So it is obviously up to you, but ignore is a wonderful feature. I highly recommend.

Hm, you may be right. I suppose I was just curious how others perceived the differences I pointed out as for me they seem more obvious than others I've seen. Not like it's a competition of any kind of course, but I was wondering how much of it was the fact that I have known this character for literally 10 years xD
But I agree that perhaps such a discussion is off-topic. I do hope that if devs read this thread they will find the posts that are actually constructive.

[Rueby]

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Hello, I've had a male miqo main for a few years and I've used Face 1 for its soft features and to my eyes aesthetically appealing proportions of nose to mouth. At first glance of Face 4 I can already see that it's as if they took Face 1 and Face 4 together, and Face 4 lost alot of its unique identity in the process in my personal opinion. I gravitate toward's softer looks rather than harsh/angular ones- which to me is the main charm of Face 4. Even to someone like me who was never a fan of that face, I feel like the charming/defining factors have been lost/watered down.

I feel like alot of other faces have suffered the 'the uniqueness is gone' compared to other faces in the same race category. I see it too in face 4 for female miqos.

[Gemina]

I get what you're saying with the eyebrows, but the eyes in the top image are far superior to the eyes in the bottom image.

[Anarnee]

I have a thread with my complaints for Roegadyn, but I thought I'd compile it here too.

After a few days to get over how upset I was over how different my character looked in the 7.0 benchmark, I decided to gather my thoughts and put that energy to make a thread of things that I hope the devs will look at while fine-tuning the Graphics update.

I play on PS4, gamma is set to 50% by default, with the same setting on the benchmark this is the results I got.



To say I was devastated is an understatement. I have 40 characters, 37 of them are face 2 Roegadyn, and no matter how I changed the options, I could not get my character to look right. And no, looking at her in the trailer did not help. The colors were still washed out and looked bad, and a lot of the features of Female Roegadyn have changed a lot and completely changed the impression of the face.

I took the time again to try with the beta set to 25% game and 0% and it helped a lot for the colors though everything still looks like it has a yellow/green/grey hue to it.

Though the colors are almost correct, a lot of features still look wrong.

So I took the time to point out some things that I think change the face too much.



I'm sure most people are probably not seeing many differences, but I look at this face almost everyday and to me it uncanny in a bad way.



1 & 2. You can see that the upper lips shape has been drastically changed. This is mouth option 1. In the 7.0 benchmark the lip has lost a lot of shape and definition.

3. This is eye option 1. While in the current game the lashes have a gentle slope down, they now slope up. It's not just for this eye option either. Every single eye option has lashes that slope up. This gives the face a much sharper look than before. The only eye option for face 2 that slops down a little is eye option 4, and those eyes are smaller and rounder.

All of the noses on face 2 look too round, too bulbous. The noses on the other faces don't look at bad, so I'm confused as to why all of the nose options on face 2 were made to look so different. There are already threads that complain about how they've lightened our nose ash smudge, so I'll leave those here;

Benchmark Graphics Update - Hellsguard Roegadyn (Smudgegate 2024)

Benchmark Feedback for Hellsguard Roe: Bring Back The Smudge

For mouth 1 They don't look as drastically changed from the front, though the lack of lip shine makes them look thinner overall, the lack of shade in the corner also changes the impression of the lips. None of the other options fair any better.

I don't feel like the profile view looks too different, and from above looks great too... but I do not look at my characters from this angle very often...



And lastly, the cupids bow\philtrum.

This is much more noticeable on my darker skinned characters, but the philtrum ridge above the lips do not match up with the lip on any of the face options other than face 4. It looks bad in my opinion, it elongates the area between the nose and mouth and gives the impression of a chimpanzee muzzle.

I would like it if it matched the contour of the lip, I can't think of ever seeing a person where the cupids bow and lip were so mismatched.

I'd prefer none.

There is also already a thread with complaints about the change in our pupils so I'd like to point folks to that for feedback on that;

[Graphic Update Feedback] Female Roegadyn Eyes

That's all I have for now, I hope that the devs will consider these adjustments. I've been Roegadyn since 2013, I love my characters with all my heart and it's so heart-wrenching to look at them and to think that come Dawntrail I'll never get to enjoy the game with them.

Thanks for your consideration!