Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional

[Tethan]

thats not entirely true either, diminishing returns are there for incresed count (and we know that more "bones" have been added to the mesh as well) and all of them work together hand in hand

but you really going to tell me that a enneadecagon is less smooth than a pentagon? or how, saw, solid snake mgs2 isnt smoother than solid snake circa mgs1? the later if that bastard hedbutted me with his sharp ass angled head id be brought in deep cuts.

To achieve "smoothness" via higher polycount requires enormous amounts of polygons. Only an absolute amateur with do it that way. Again, I'm sorry but you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Textures are bad, get over it.

[Doopliss]

Alright that's it, I'm going to spontaneously combust.

me when i'm normal and lacking dramaticism

i'll give myself with this one to count this as a third whammy in my attempt to have a discussion with the nebulous group of people on the "other side" frequenting these posts, but like, come on, dude. lol. if my attempt at having you consider empathy resulted in "i have to kiss their ASSES?" you need to go shoot the shit more with your friends or somethin' instead of malding at embarrassing forum posts with your own embarrassing forum posts. it was more of a call to like, i don't know, not let it get under your skin.

i'm sorry for letting go of any refinement in my words but i don't plan to respond to this thread after this but come on guys. i promise the graphics update isn't going anywhere, it's okay. you don't have to be scared too. a full rollback is unheard of within this time frame of release.

i mean i'm equally embarrassing and at fault for attempting to think forum-goers in general could let go of hyperbole, so that is on me. anyway, time to return to pvp. game pvp, i guess. see you all in dawntrail or something

[AmaliaFuma]

I think the benchmark character creator for dawntrail has (Character Lighting) turned on, because theres no way to adjust it in the benchmark settings, and the whole character lighting appearance is very similar to how it looks in the live game when turned to 100% in the graphical settings.

The first image (you can click them to make them larger) was taken in the current live game, ignore the cheek tattoo, but she looks cute right?



The second image was taken in the dawntrail benchmark. As you can see the character lighting is turned way up for some reason.



But notice the eyebrows? Their grey and look weird, like they were stuck on her face, even in other lighting conditions it still looks grey and weird, compared to the first image.

The eyes look visbly more open, if you look at the pupils (the dark bit) their shown fully, whereas in the first image it is ever so slightly cut off at the top, giving the eyes a more almond like shape, and cuter imo compared to the update.

The eyes also have a fake eyeshadow above them, and a shadow covering the top of the eye itself, it looks weird and i don't like it personally. The eyes also look dead which alot of people have complained about.

The lips have no shine to them, very matte, unlike the first image, but that could be due to the character lighting being turned up, as it washes out gloss effects i think.

These things are very noticeable, there is no way you cannot see the differences between the images, the eyebrows especially, and the weird eyeshadows. My character looks way less cute in the update compared to live and i hope it gets addressed.

[4clubbedace]

Oh I would love something like this, I long for a perma /smirk! Posture/stride customization like Dragon's Dogma would be great too ;_;

you can already do something like this in portrait, choosing different face expressions, seperate from the actual body emote you do.

I dont think its out of the realm of possibility for you to choose a select of facial expressions as a "resting" face at idle. thinks like, grin, smirk, furrow.

this is why i have a hard time empathizing with a lot of the unconstructive nonfeedback of "the personality changed!!!" when there isnt any personality in either before or after since everyone is set at a neutral idle anyways.

but have the ability to choose an actual expression would give a lot of personality to characters and would go a long way

[noumen0nn]

I'll be honest...I do still genuinely wonder why these things are weighed the same? I hate arguing about this sort of thing, because I know it never ends up well--but, if I'm allowed to be a little more blunt with my thoughts, I don't understand why people who prefer the new look should be given the same weight as those who prefer the old ones? I don't mean this dismissively, I say this because my reasoning is:
1. Nobody has gotten to actually play with the new looks yet.
2. People who prefer the new looks, I assume--hope?--made and currently play characters they enjoy the looks of.

This is of course, me thinking with the resolution them being fixing the features so that they're in line with what they look like now. Not like, reverting the graphics update...which I still honestly haven't seen many people actually call for.

I wish more people understood this. I'm not expecting there to be a rollback (though I hope they do some work to address complaints), but "liking the new better and being made to go back to something you still liked before, if slightly less" and "liking the old better and being made to change to something you don't like at all" are not comparable.

[Tethan]

I think the benchmark character creator for dawntrail has (Character Lighting) turned on, because theres no way to adjust it in the benchmark settings, and the whole character lighting appearance is very similar to how it looks in the live game when turned to 100% in the graphical settings.

The first image was taken in the current live game, ignore the cheek tattoo, but she looks cute right?



The second image was taken in the dawntrail benchmark. As you can see the character lighting is turned way up for some reason.



But notice the eyebrows? Their grey and look weird, like they were stuck on her face, even in other lighting conditions it still looks grey and weird, compared to the first image.

The eyes look visbly more open, if you look at the pupils (the dark bit) their shown fully, whereas in the first image it is ever so slightly cut off at the top, giving the eyes a more almond like shape, and cuter imo compared to the update.

The eyes also have a fake eyeshadow above them, and a shadow covering the top of the eye itself, it looks weird and i don't like it personally. The eyes also look dead which alot of people have complained about.

The lips have no shine to them, very matte, unlike the first image, but that could be due to the character lighting being turned up, as it washes out gloss effects i think.

These things are very noticeable, there is no way you cannot see the differences between the images, the eyebrows especially, and the weird eyeshadows. My character looks way less cute in the update compared to live and i hope it gets addressed.

I have a little conspiracy theory they might have forced character lighting on to hide that they did not in fact fix self-shadows in stark light, but we will see. If the option to change character light disappears in 7.0 I can guess why.

[AmaliaFuma]

I have a little conspiracy theory they might have forced character lighting on to hide that they did not in fact fix self-shadows in stark light, but we will see. If the option to change character light disappears in 7.0 I can guess why.

Character lighting should be off by default, i only use it really when i want to check colours and other details in the hairdresser mode, and glam reasons. It messes with the natural lighting otherwise, so hopefully they don't force it on with the update, because that would be baaad.

[twobear]

me when i'm normal and lacking dramaticism

i'll give myself with this one to count this as a third whammy in my attempt to have a discussion with the nebulous group of people on the "other side" frequenting these posts, but like, come on, dude. lol. if my attempt at having you consider empathy resulted in "i have to kiss their ASSES?" you need to go shoot the shit more with your friends or somethin' instead of malding at embarrassing forum posts with your own embarrassing forum posts. it was more of a call to like, i don't know, not let it get under your skin.

i'm sorry for letting go of any refinement in my words but i don't plan to respond to this thread after this but come on guys. i promise the graphics update isn't going anywhere, it's okay. you don't have to be scared too. a full rollback is unheard of within this time frame of release.

i mean i'm equally embarrassing and at fault for attempting to think forum-goers in general could let go of hyperbole, so that is on me. anyway, time to return to pvp. game pvp, i guess. see you all in dawntrail or something

I think you're taking that post more seriously than I intended it to be. Because my first post in this thread said that if I have to see one more person call two very similar looking faces 'completely different' I would spontaneously combust.

You're not wrong though, reading these endless histrionics is doing my nut in. Time to dip I think.

[DiaDeem]

[Reinha]

But notice the eyebrows? They're grey and look weird, like they were stuck on her face, even in other lighting conditions it still looks grey and weird, compared to the first image.

The eyes also have a fake eyeshadow above them, and a shadow covering the top of the eye itself, it looks weird and i don't like it personally. The eyes also look dead which a lot of people have complained about.

My duskwight has the exact same issue with her eyebrows! They now have a smudge with a fully blonde streak drawn on top, when it used to have black in the mix making the whole brow look darker and more defined. Even when the hair is blonde it doesn't look good to fill in the brows with a white line, that's why I chose a face with dark brows in the first place.

Eyes are also dead looking because the top half is darker. If luster spots / light reflections are appearing right under the top lashes, light is clearly hitting that part of the eye. So why is it so dark?