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    Arzalis's Avatar
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    Kemi Epoc
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    Not sure why people keep saying the eyes not reflecting light in even the slightest shadow is "realistic." It's not at all.
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    Luca Vares
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arzalis View Post
    Not sure why people keep saying the eyes not reflecting light in even the slightest shadow is "realistic." It's not at all.
    I swear the people saying this don't actually know how human eyes reflect light. They're very shiny! They pick light up from everywhere! Look at yourself in the rearview mirror of a car during the day. Even though you're in shadow your eyes will still reflect the ambient light around you very clearly.

    Even if it was realistic, FFXIV isn't exactly shooting for realism. It just comes out looking uncanny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca_ View Post
    I swear the people saying this don't actually know how human eyes reflect light. They're very shiny! They pick light up from everywhere! Look at yourself in the rearview mirror of a car during the day. Even though you're in shadow your eyes will still reflect the ambient light around you very clearly.

    Even if it was realistic, FFXIV isn't exactly shooting for realism. It just comes out looking uncanny.
    Non-nocturnal creature's eyes dont not reflect a ton of light, they typically do not possess the tapetum lucidum structure that gives the reflective shiny appearance that a cat or raccoons eyes do.
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    Ogru Magnataraxia
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    Quote Originally Posted by WiccaP View Post
    Non-nocturnal creature's eyes dont not reflect a ton of light, they typically do not possess the tapetum lucidum structure that gives the reflective shiny appearance that a cat or raccoons eyes do.
    I think people are complaining that the lighting is struggling to convey that eyes are round and wet, not that it is failing to make human eyes reflective like a possum caught eating trash in the driveway.
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    Lilith Barton
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    I know some ppl have made comments elsewhere about floppy-ear bun-bois, but I haven't seen the comments myself, and I don't remember seeing any mentioned on this thread yet... and while I don't doubt it's unintentional and will def get fixed at some point (and rightly so), I am still a little curious... how do our floppy-ear bun-bois here feel about their new glow-stick ears? :P

    (in case some ppl don't know what I'm talking about, the male viera's floppy ear option has this weird kinda glow to them in certain lighting)



    at first, I thought it was only happening on white/light shades of hair (the photos I've seen and my retainer above all had white/light hair) so I tested it on darker hair on another retainer and while not to the same extent/effect as the light shades, the colour difference is still really clear:


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    Reverie Arbeau
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca_ View Post
    I swear the people saying this don't actually know how human eyes reflect light. They're very shiny! They pick light up from everywhere! Look at yourself in the rearview mirror of a car during the day. Even though you're in shadow your eyes will still reflect the ambient light around you very clearly.

    Even if it was realistic, FFXIV isn't exactly shooting for realism. It just comes out looking uncanny.
    At risk of sounding petty, I really, really do dislike when peoples' unspoken implication is that something looking more realistic = "better". FFXIV has a distinct artstyle with most (but not all, I know) races having way larger eyes than our own, often shaped in exaggerated ways. This goes for many facial features, really.

    One of the only reasons I even felt compelled to post more on the forums is so that I could find any comfort in people feeling the same as me, outside of the circle of friends who I play the game with. A few days ago on reddit I saw a 400+ upvoted comment saying they think the new teeth placement for Lalafell is better because it's more "realistic". Some reply even spoke about how they raised their head in the mirror and found their teeth looked the same way. I couldn't help but think. Just. Whuh. Are you shaped like a Lalafell too? It's not uncanny to them!? I felt like a crazy person!
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doopliss View Post
    At risk of sounding petty, I really, really do dislike when peoples' unspoken implication is that something looking more realistic = "better". FFXIV has a distinct artstyle with most (but not all, I know) races having way larger eyes than our own, often shaped in exaggerated ways. This goes for many facial features, really.

    One of the only reasons I even felt compelled to post more on the forums is so that I could find any comfort in people feeling the same as me, outside of the circle of friends who I play the game with. A few days ago on reddit I saw a 400+ upvoted comment saying they think the new teeth placement for Lalafell is better because it's more "realistic". Some reply even spoke about how they raised their head in the mirror and found their teeth looked the same way. I couldn't help but think. Just. Whuh. Are you shaped like a Lalafell too? It's not uncanny to them!? I felt like a crazy person!
    I'm just gonna quote a comment from... omg lol 30 plus pages ago (this thread is really hot huh?!):

    Quote Originally Posted by Zaniel View Post
    This is a good example of how something that is technically correct actually gives a worse result than something that is technically wrong. The eye glint texture is needed to avoid the uncanny dead look, it doesn't matter that the new system "is more realistic". It doesn't work with the brain's expectation of how it should look.
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    Heloix Hortefense
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    I really like the Female Hrothgar but their shoulders are weird and move unnaturally sometimes and maybe they need a bit of improvement.
    Some examples:







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    Roda Tirhaalo
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlamboyantAsBurningInferno View Post
    I really like the Female Hrothgar but their shoulders are weird and move unnaturally sometimes and maybe they need a bit of improvement.
    Some examples:







    I think she's missing more developed lats to smooth things out?


    I noticed similar weirdness on Karlach in bg3 whose shoulder area often looked rather pinched as well and it was 'cause she didn't have that muscle peeking out from behind her arm when she raised it.
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    Last edited by Roda; 04-18-2024 at 04:43 AM.
    ~sigh~

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    Heloix Hortefense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roda View Post
    I think she's missing more developed lats to smooth things out?


    I noticed similar weirdness on Karlach in bg3 whose shoulder area often looked rather pinched as well and it was 'cause she didn't have that muscle peeking out from behind her arm when she raised it.
    I actually think their shoulders should be placed differently, lower than they are now. I agree with the author in this post where I got the picture from

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    Last edited by FlamboyantAsBurningInferno; 04-18-2024 at 05:31 AM. Reason: add quote

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