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  1. #121
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    Nana Wiloh
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    Lamia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDruidOcelot View Post
    and yet they promised to not make them look like different characters, so people rightfully feel lied to
    Developers dont make promises, gamers just tell themselves they are.
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  2. #122
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    N'qehbe Moshroca
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    Ultros
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    Dancer Lv 78
    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    Developers dont make promises, gamers just tell themselves they are.
    are you joking? they literally said "we don't want them to look like different characters, we just want people to say 'look, my character is pretty now.' " verbatim.

    they LITERALLY PROMISED. IN a live letter. when they announced the changes. and repeated it. more than once.
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  3. #123
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    Jijifli Kokofli
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 55
    On one hand I am very VERY happy with mine outside of facepaint being left completely untouched.


    On the other, I hope those encountering issues have their issues resolved, however way it'll need to be.
    (4)

  4. #124
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    Nana Wiloh
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDruidOcelot View Post
    are you joking? they literally said "we don't want them to look like different characters, we just want people to say 'look, my character is pretty now.' " verbatim.

    they LITERALLY PROMISED. IN a live letter. when they announced the changes. and repeated it. more than once.
    That is not is promise that is them stating their wants which can change at any moment. Promise and want do not mean the same thing.
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  5. #125
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    keichirou's Avatar
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    Harunah Fae
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    Lamia
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    Archer Lv 50
    remember when i told you people to keep expectations low? .....this is why , gimme my damn fangs back
    (9)
    why is WoW living rent free inside your heads?

  6. #126
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    Nana Wiloh
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    Lamia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by keichirou View Post
    remember when i told you people to keep expectations low? .....this is why , gimme my damn fangs back
    Expectations and assuming go hand and hand. Sooner or later they will make you look like a fool.
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  7. #127
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudje View Post
    I mean, a lot of these changes cannot be fixed with fantas.
    You're right and it's quite upsetting. This is pretty much unfixable and it's shocking that there are people who will defend or downplay these unnecessary stylistic changes.



    I will be race changing with that free fantasia. There is no way I will be able to return to my current look which I love, so I might as well start from scratch.
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  8. #128
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    Ven Black
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    Coeurl
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    I love looking at these comparison shots and the biggest difference is....the lighting....it's really dim in the benchmark character creator for some reason. Most of your characters look almost exactly the same for me.
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  10. #129
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    Zuzumi Zumi
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    Mateus
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Not a fan of they they did to my Elezen myself. Her eyes are souless now.

    (16)

  11. #130
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    Taeryn Bishop
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    Alpha
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    Summoner Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by MrMordio View Post
    Better but the same should be the target, but I don't feel like they hit that
    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    It still makes more sense to keep the models the "same but better" over changing them
    I'm curious and perhaps you could enlighten me, but where is the line drawn between 'make them better' and 'keep them the same'? Where is the limit? At what point are they no longer the same character?

    Ultimately, the changes appear to have been made in order to make the characters look more real - the same characters, just made to look more realistic. But all of these realistic features have been pointed out by different players to be features they dislike and that have to be reverted:

    Skin texture and pores? - presumably to give a more tangible appearance, rather than cartoon-ish. A matter complained about by some.

    Removal of a permanent eye glint and instead adding light reflection based on environment? - again, more in keeping with real effects of environment and lighting. But again, complained about by some as leaving their characters 'empty and soul-less'.

    Extra detail to facial structure - dimples being one example. Look in the mirror. Smile. You'll see dimples! Some may be strong, others more subtle, but they'll be there. Yet some complain this goes too far and prefer to return to the more solid, doll-like appearance.

    While there are more, I would think each of these would be perfectly understandable ways of trying to make the characters 'better' while still being the same character. Yet each of these have been complained about. So I ask, where is the limit? Exactly what would you be looking for?
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