Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional

[Rueby]

Honestly my biggest fear with Zenos, especially now that the benchmark is out and a lot of features have been sandblasted, is that they'll shrink his big nose. It and his soft, round, "hasn't slept in a week" face do a lot to make him stand out in the sea of violent prettyboy swordsmen, but at least his other facial features were always in his concept art. If they made his hair less spaghetti I wouldn't be as worried because that always looked more like a technical limitation, but the core details of his face I feel are in very real danger of being lost and I don't think he's the only one. Other slightly scrungled characters will likely have core features removed if they don't pivot direction now.

Just thinking about it makes me really sad honestly, he's my favorite character of all time and I think he's really beautiful. The only thing I thought of were the low texture (artifacting) around his eyes. His face wasn't angular by any means but it wasn't round and soft, he had a strange mix of sharp/soft features especially his side view on his jaw.



Memories of him is all I have left since EW...I'm worried he'd lost all the uniqueness that I fell in love with. I was really shocked to see how horrible he looked in the EW trailer. Hell his post SB (ShB) flashback thing had more gorgeous looking eyes and eyebrows than the entire EW trailer.

I really wish he'd turn out abit like how he looks in Dissidia...

[Iscah]

What I'm now worried about too, it's how some NPCs will look with this update.

I've wondered this too, because it's going to have a pretty serious impact on some NPCs if implemented like this.

With all the discussion over changes to female Au Ra, Sadu is particularly in the firing line, and probably Cirina as well.

I've only looked closely at my own characters so far, but another NPC that keeps floating to mind (because he uses the same face as my Miqo'te) is Zhai'a Nelhah from the BLM quests. His serious expression is a big part of setting that character up, but the changes have given that face more of a smile, and I think it's going to be pretty bad for him.

[Roda]

I am kind of alright with the new face of my character, but extremely unhappy with how the hair has turned out. It looks very flat, colourless and lacks any kind of shine that the old one had, not to mention the hideous thready looking texture. It almost looks like it's bugged at this point in the benchmark as it fails to interact properly with lighting. We still got over two months to wait and I really hope this is all just a heavy WIP and things can still change. I literally made an account just to post this and I'm glad to see that people are voicing their concerns here.

i just gotta say i love what you did with the tattoo and the facepaint!

[MoonNoire]

So many people telling me my characters, whom now seem like skinwalkers just barely resembling the originals, are "fine and actually better looking".

It doesn't matter that the eyes are further apart, or that the face is rounder and fatter. Doesn't matter that the iris is entirely different or that their new mouth shapes now change their facial expression completely. So what if the lifeless eyes make it look like my characters have gone through 15 years of trauma? The hair textures are nicer. (The ones that aren't broken.) So just wait for your GENEROUSLY provided freebie fantasia - the solution to the problem caused by the solution to a problem nobody asked Square-Enix to fix.

I'll just be here enjoying my new dolphin teeth.

[AirisRay]

Excuse me? Are you trying to gaslight me? No, they are clearly not the same. Not even close. The look LOWER RES than the current lips. The shape of the top lip is much more pointy in the benchmark. The shape of the bottom of the top lip is completely flattened. The bottom lip is smaller and no longer protrudes over the shadow the lip casts, as seen in the 3rd row pic.

I also see that your character's lips have a completely different shape compared to the original, as well as a different texture. This is absolutely obvious.

Some people are on the forum all day long just to write "this is the same picture" to all comparison images.

Someone bring pictures and they say: "this is the same", "the light in CC is bad", "change the gamma", "this character looks beautiful to me", "it only seems to you", "it’s a matter of your perception", "take your pills, go outside", "too dramatic".
I don’t know what all this has to do with the changed face model, and I guess they themselves don’t know. There was already a post from 3D artist who showed how the very model of the face of one of the characters had changed, but this is also probably bad light for them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Your complaints are absolutely valid. Your feelings are absolutely valid. They promised to do one thing, but we got another. But in such situations it's very important to remember: we all came here in an attempt to draw the attention of SE to this problem. We didn't come here to try to convince people on the forum that our characters have really changed. Don't try to convince them of something, it's absolutely pointless. And they won't listen to you anyway.

I can advise you to leave your message on the Japanese forum, where the atmosphere is completely different. I also advise you to leave this message in "bug reports". My recent message about my character's defect was moved to "accepted bugs" and this greatly encourages me.

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Well, I tried to repeat the scene as closely as possible and now I'm really disappointed! The graphical upgrade looks like PS3 version and i am say this, this the worst upgrade for midlander 1 face, this is really freak!!! *this only my opinion, and yes i am a very emotional person, sorry for that* All in new upgrade on this looks terrible!

Please tell me, where is my cute character and what kind of monster did they make of him? Only the skin looks improved and then it looks old, lol! Yes, I declare responsibly, for me this is a downgrade, I'm talking about my character!

I also think your character looks different. Of course, in the new version she is not a "freak", but I understand why you say that and I understand your feelings. She's definitely not a freak, but she definitely looks not like before.
Due to the limit on the number of posts, I couldn't write this yesterday.

[LlymlaenGreene]

I also see that your character's lips have a completely different shape compared to the original, as well as a different texture. This is absolutely obvious.

Some people are on the forum all day long just to write "this is the same picture" to all comparison images.

Someone bring pictures and they say: "this is the same", "the light in CC is bad", "change the gamma", "this character looks beautiful to me", "it only seems to you", "it’s a matter of your perception", "take your pills, go outside", "too dramatic".
I don’t know what all this has to do with the changed face model, and I guess they themselves don’t know. There was already a post from 3D artist who showed how the very model of the face of one of the characters had changed, but this is also probably bad light for them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Your complaints are absolutely valid. Your feelings are absolutely valid. They promised to do one thing, but we got another. But in such situations it's very important to remember: we all came here in an attempt to draw the attention of SE to this problem. We didn't come here to try to convince people on the forum that our characters have really changed. Don't try to convince them of something, it's absolutely pointless. And they won't listen to you anyway.

I can advise you to leave your message on the Japanese forum, where the atmosphere is completely different. I also advise you to leave this message in "bug reports". My recent message about my character's defect was moved to "accepted bugs" and this greatly encourages me.




I also think your character looks different. Of course, in the new version she is not a "freak", but I understand why you say that and I understand your feelings. She's definitely not a freak, but she definitely looks not like before.
Due to the limit on the number of posts, I couldn't write this yesterday.

thank you very much, i appreciate that so much, because honestly i am very soft person, and even the internet people say me, what i am do something wrong i will be think about so long, even now i think about some messages what i got yesterday :3

[AirisRay]

thank you very much, i appreciate that so much, because honestly i am very soft person, and even the internet people say me, what i am do something wrong or what i am ugly i will be think about so long, even now i think about some messages what i got yesterday :3

I'm so sorry to hear this! Please, don't take to heart what some people say here (and not only here) and don't get upset about it in any way! That is their goal and if you get upset about it, then they have achieved their goal.
Some people wrote to me yesterday that they were afraid to even post here after reading several threads... They were afraid that they would be bullied and gaslighted.
I almost never visited this forum. I spend time in other communities that are full of very kind and considerate people and honestly, I could not even imagine that there was so much anger on this forum.
But, really, it’s very important to remember why we are here. We are here to draw attention to the problem, not to feed the trolls Let them sit hungry

[LlymlaenGreene]

I'm so sorry to hear this! Please, don't take to heart what some people say here (and not only here) and don't get upset about it in any way! That is their goal and if you get upset about it, then they have achieved their goal.
Some people wrote to me yesterday that they were afraid to even post here after reading several threads... They were afraid that they would be bullied and gaslighted.
I almost never visited this forum. I spend time in other communities that are full of very kind and considerate people and honestly, I could not even imagine that there was so much anger on this forum.
But, really, it’s very important to remember why we are here. We are here to draw attention to the problem, not to feed the trolls Let them sit hungry

thank you again, i am happy what we have here people like you and like other kind people! :3

[MrMordio]

thank you again, i am happy what we have here people like you and like other kind people! :3

AirisRay is good people. And you're definitely not alone in your observations <3

[AirisRay]

My original post may have been unclear.

Say there is someone else out there who happened to make a character identical to yours. The benchmark comes out and you hate it. This other person loves it and thinks their character looks perfect, they don't see any differences other than it being in HD. Who is correct?

As another example, I think Face 1 Highlander turned out fantastic. I've seen other posts that say it looks like garbage and nothing like their character. Who is correct?

Now obviously the answer is both and neither, everyone is entitled to their opinion on their own character. The thought experiment was more about how the developers respond to conflicting feedback about the same thing.

Side note, I think it's pretty silly to say someone's opinion on aesthetics is worth more just because they've played the game longer.

It seems you didn't read my message. I wasn't talking about aesthetic perception, I was talking about the accuracy of the upgrade. If facial features don't match, it's wrong. If someone liked this discrepancy, it would be logical to ask SE to add exactly this type of face and its features to the game. And for people who are accustomed to their previous facial features, return them in their original form.
It's not about aesthetics, but about a familiar appearance that many people would like to get back.

I think it's incorrect to reduce everything only to aesthetic perception, when we were all told in plain text: “your characters will look like themselves”. Nobody said that we would have to make some kind of aesthetic choice. Try to find a quote like this from Naoki Yoshida.

Why should I even consider your aesthetic taste when I choosing my character? I want to play the character I created for myself, not for you. And my requests to fix it and return it to its previous form are reasonable. Your claims to my requests are not reasonable.
Our characters have become different. Not the ones we created many years ago. The key word here is "different".

p.s. Pretty silly? I see that at this point you have run out of arguments and have moved on to insults. Looks pretty pathetic.

upd: In my previous message, to which you are now responding, there is no word "aesthetics". It simply doesn't exist.
You made up this word, attributed it to me and called it pretty silly. This is definitely what your behavior looks like. And I’m glad that you understand this too, at least on a subconscious level.