Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional

[noumen0nn]

Please, try to tell me that they are similar.

Just popping in to add to the voices letting you know you are not crazy, if I look at this image and the gifs from later in the thread for more than a second, I start to see very obvious differences. The lips are absolutely the worst offender but the nose shape has been altered quite a bit as well.

[LlymlaenGreene]

and this is funny about jp forums, be honest, these forums do not have 3 angry people for any post with criticism :3

[LlymlaenGreene]

and yes, I've read the whole Japanese topic and I know what I'm saying :3

[WiccaP]

I think the reasons I dont have a problem necessarily with the graphics changes, and I'll admit there are some issues, is based on 2 things.

1. I have never put that much weight into what my WoL looks like. Yes I want the character to look good, but the minute details, like the whole lip seperation straight line vs curved that we're seeing now doesn't bother me. My WoL changes its appearance based on how Im feeling at the time. I phantasia probably every few months, so I dont think Im doing what it appears that some people are, which is hyperfocus. Which is not to say others are wrong to want every detail exactly how they want it. Also the characters I've done in the benchmark dont seem to have the issues like waxy/texture skin that some people are having or Im not noticing it; and I like the depth they've put into the eyes without the static white cartoon dot.

2. I ran the bench mark a few times with other character models before making one that resembles my current WoL, which I feel like eased me into the new graphics. I think there's a level of uncanny valley going on with a lot of players. For the most part, photo's and vids of characters Ive seen on here and other platforms look very similiar to the current models but there is something slightly different. And for people who are very tied to their WoL looking a specific way, its jarring and I think part of the discourse around it is because of that Uncanny effect.

I do believe that what we're seeing in the Benchmark, is not the fully flushed out and finished graphics we'll see at launch.

Also with the lips, I personally prefer the newer graphics. I found that one option, the larger lip(I think 2), always looked like they were stuck on the face and didn't move right and reminded me very much of those people who have a lot of lip filler that looked too large and overly shiny for the face. I just wish they would make the dark lip options more pigmented. Like if I choose black lip color and dark, it shouldn't be a dark gray it should be black and give the option of matte or shine.

I also think there may be quite a bit of over dramatization going on in the forums on all sides of the spectrum. People are allowed to have their feelings and they aren't wrong for not liking something, but I dont understand the mentality that these graphics changes have "ruined the game". I guess because I've been playing since HW and every expansion or update, there's always those people who say that and that their unsubbing and want a refund. And Im sitting here like if you've stuck around through the good, the bad and the ugly that we've had in previous expansions, this graphics update aint anything. Lets be honest with our feedback, but lets give them something they can actually use, not just "All of this is crap and IM quiting"

[LlymlaenGreene]

now I want to ask those people who look up to the Japanese forum, you claim that they just post constructive suggestions and that's it, and we just complain and that's it. But that's not the case, go read the topic carefully again, users often say that they are surprised, stunned, do not want to play their new characters, want to cancel pre-orders and so on.

Yes, they have less of it, but they get well-deserved approval *likes* for these messages, but what about us?
For every critical message you receive a message in the spirit of don't like - don't play!
This is the same character, I am an artist and I know better!
And I like everything, so you have to use your fanta to adjust your character(I'm fine and I don't care what you have is. *she or he thinking to himself*)!
The company should not make concessions to everyone and so on.

Of course, again, I don't mean everyone, there are those who are happy and happy and want others to be happy with the upcoming updates, and so on, they are great!

I can continue this list indefinitely, but why would I do that? You already know all this. And that's why I think you should also look at your behavior, and not poke us into their forum. Everyone's mentalities are also different, the Japanese are very modest and even they allow themselves some emotions that I wrote about above.
The Japanese are mostly secretive people. Unlike, for example, other countries, they do not express their feelings openly.
And yes, regarding emotionality, for example, I am a very emotional and sentimental person and I do not know how to hide my emotions, and when I do this, or others do too, then why do you forbid us to do this? After all, I am talking exclusively about myself and in no way offend other members of the community and just write as it really is!

[Luca_]

now I want to ask those people who look up to the Japanese forum, you claim that they just post constructive suggestions and that's it, and we just complain and that's it. But that's not the case, go read the topic carefully again, users often say that they are surprised, stunned, do not want to play their new characters, want to cancel pre-orders and so on.

Yes, they have less of it, but they get well-deserved approval *likes* for these messages, but what about us? For every critical message you receive a message in the spirit of -don't like - don't play! This is the same character, I am an artist and I know better! And I like everything, so you have to use your fanta to adjust your character) I'm fine and I don't care what you have)is she or he thinking to himself*! The company should not make concessions to everyone and so on)

Of course, again, I don't mean everyone, there are those who are happy and happy and want others to be happy with the upcoming updates, and so on, they are great!

I can continue this list indefinitely, but why do you already know all this? And that's why I think you should also look at your behavior, and not poke us into their forum. Everyone's mentalities are also different, the Japanese are very modest and even they allow themselves some emotions that I wrote about above.
The Japanese are mostly secretive people. Unlike, for example, other countries, they do not express their feelings openly.
And yes, regarding emotionality, for example, I am a very emotional and sentimental person and I do not know how to hide my emotions, and when I do this, or others do too, then why do you forbid us to do this? After all, I am talking exclusively about myself and in no way offend other members of the community and just write as it really is!

To be honest, a lot of people just post inflammatory or contradictory things because they want a reaction and aren't interested in contributing to the conversation in any meaningful way. It's very common on the English forums regardless of the topic and gets exhausting to read.

[Scintilla]

To be honest, a lot of people just post inflammatory or contradictory things because they want a reaction and aren't interested in contributing to the conversation in any meaningful way. It's very common on the English forums regardless of the topic and gets exhausting to read.

They happen to disagree with something that you believe = they aren't contributing in a meaningful way

It is posts such as these which, rather than seek to discuss what was said, just attempt to close it down with 'it's not worth listening to' which don't contribute.

Now, where was that post asking for sympathy and understanding...

[Luca_]

They happen to disagree with something that you believe = they aren't contributing in a meaningful way

It is posts such as these which, rather than seek to discuss what was said, just attempt to close it down with 'it's not worth listening to' which don't contribute.

Now, where was that post asking for sympathy and understanding...

Where did I say that? No, I meant like the person who was calling everyone else ugly and copy pasted like five pages ago, lol. That wasn't exactly constructive.

[Scintilla]

Where did I say that? No, I meant like the person who was calling everyone else ugly and copy pasted like five pages ago, lol. That wasn't exactly constructive.

In which case, I apologise. With such an active chat as this I seem to have missed that post. Unsurprising as I've been writing some pretty long posts today

Yes, anything resorting to irrelevant insults is totally unwarranted and adds nothing to the conversation

[LlymlaenGreene]

To be honest, a lot of people just post inflammatory or contradictory things because they want a reaction and aren't interested in contributing to the conversation in any meaningful way. It's very common on the English forums regardless of the topic and gets exhausting to read.

Yes, this is also the case, but in this topic I see only legitimate feelings and I agree that they have their own point of view and rights. Where is the incitement in this, if a person sees the difference and complains about it.And in response, he gets only negative feedback from people who disagree. Some characters really only got new lips and for other players it looks the same, BUT it doesn't matter, because it's not them who's playing, but the owner, and the owner is not happy and he makes reasonable claims.
And it turns out that I literally need to take my old character and a new one and sit down to draw differences for developers and send it to a Japanese forum so that they return what they promised to do themselves, namely, to quote our favorite developers:
"The goal is to improve the overall look you know and love, rather than to change things to meet a certain threshold. Players have been playing for 10 years, so they want to prioritize and take care to avoid situations where people don’t feel their character looks theirs."

Yoshida says the final version will be of higher quality, but they really did take care to make sure that your impressions of the characters wouldn’t change. The hair texture, eyes, and skin were ones they paid particular attention to."

This is ultimately more of a joke, but as they say, there is some truth in every joke