Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional

[LianaThorne]

What is with gap in the head showing sky under??

Usually gaps mean the hair model isn't fit properly to whatever head model they're using.

Which is kind of a head scratcher for me, because if no shape alterations were made to models...why are there gaps now when there weren't before...? Should just kinda snap back on since face texture/lighting changes shouldn't physically alter the shape of the head or break models.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Please, try to tell me that they are similar.

Others have pointed out the difference so I'm just gonna say, everytime I see a Miqo'te comparison I shake my head. 'Cause literally months ago they were showing us one of these:


An exaggeration? Perhaps... but point still stands, where did all the quality gone to...

[AirisRay]

Others have pointed out the difference so I'm just gonna say, everytime I see a Miqo'te comparison I shake my head. 'Cause literally months ago they were showing us one of these:
An exaggeration? Perhaps... but point still stands, where did all the quality gone to...

In the last few days I have also been comparing a lot of what we got with these images they showed us before.

If I got such an identical version of my character as in their examples, I would turn a blind eye to the problems with the plastic skin, to the lighting problems (especially since I still hope that the lighting in 7.0 will be different from what we saw in the benchmark) and so on.

This is exactly what I expected to see. And that's why I trusted them so much in this matter. When I saw my character in the benchmark, I even froze in horror for a second. I definitely didn't expect to see this.

[Ceetee]

Please, try to tell me that they are similar.



Seriously, I'll be very surprised if you say that. I will be very surprised if anyone even says this. And I’m most surprised that whoever did this to her didn’t see it himself. Perhaps he did it blindfolded, with his left leg? I don't know.
I'm surprised I have to even be here on this forum trying to get my posts noticed so they can fix it. I'm shocked that the people who do this work did it so mediocrely in my case.

Yes, they did the environment beautifully, as far as I can tell from what I've seen. For example, the flowers are beautiful. But I don't play for the flower. I played my character, who is now objectively broken and disfigured.

I'm sure our characters should have been a priority during the graphics update. For many of us, this is the most important part of the game. They said it was just as important to them. That they will approach this issue very delicately and will attach great importance to it. I believed them and did not doubt their words for a second. But at this point, I no longer trust a single word they say.

...... hold on a second. The issue (well, AN issue) with that face (face 3) is that it went from being relatively slim to a little bit plumper. Not a lot, but enough to notice.

I have been complaining about how my cats face (face 2) went from being relatively plump to a little bit slimmer.

Did they just... mix up the base models of the faces somehow? Did someone save a reference model as the wrong name at some point, and the updated version got built using the wrong model as reference? That seems like a huge oversight, and probably not the case, but it seems curious that two faces right next to each other in the editor received the exact opposite changes of each other.

[Mosha]

...... hold on a second. The issue (well, AN issue) with that face (face 3) is that it went from being relatively slim to a little bit plumper. Not a lot, but enough to notice.

I have been complaining about how my cats face (face 2) went from being relatively plump to a little bit slimmer.

Did they just... mix up the base models of the faces somehow? Did someone save a reference model as the wrong name at some point, and the updated version got built using the wrong model as reference? That seems like a huge oversight, and probably not the case, but it seems curious that two faces right next to each other in the editor received the exact opposite changes of each other.

Check it in the bench load your wol in and swap the face.

[AirisRay]

...... hold on a second. The issue (well, AN issue) with that face (face 3) is that it went from being relatively slim to a little bit plumper. Not a lot, but enough to notice.

I have been complaining about how my cats face (face 2) went from being relatively plump to a little bit slimmer.

Did they just... mix up the base models of the faces somehow? Did someone save a reference model as the wrong name at some point, and the updated version got built using the wrong model as reference? That seems like a huge oversight, and probably not the case, but it seems curious that two faces right next to each other in the editor received the exact opposite changes of each other.

Oh, that's a really interesting observation! I only noticed a slightly shortened chin, but overall I had no complaints about the shape of her face. Yesterday I tried to put pics on top of each other and it didn’t seem to me that her cheeks had changed much. But if we assume that they mixed up hairstyle models for different races (which is why there was a hole in the hair through which the sky can be seen), then your guess is probably possible.
But I’m really not sure that her face shape has changed, I can’t say that I see it for sure. Maybe it's all because of the mouth and that look of the puppet that still takes all my attention

[LlymlaenGreene]

Please, try to tell me that they are similar.



Seriously, I'll be very surprised if you say that. I will be very surprised if anyone even says this. And I’m most surprised that whoever did this to her didn’t see it himself. Perhaps he did it blindfolded, with his left leg? I don't know.
I'm surprised I have to even be here on this forum trying to get my posts noticed so they can fix it. I'm shocked that the people who do this work did it so mediocrely in my case.

Yes, they did the environment beautifully, as far as I can tell from what I've seen. For example, the flowers are beautiful. But I don't play for the flower. I played my character, who is now objectively broken and disfigured.

I'm sure our characters should have been a priority during the graphics update. For many of us, this is the most important part of the game. They said it was just as important to them. That they will approach this issue very delicately and will attach great importance to it. I believed them and did not doubt their words for a second. But at this point, I no longer trust a single word they say.

Hello if you want to know my opinion, i think your new character looks another, this is not your character anymore in my opinion, she looks like she have botox, lol, but i am not an artist and i can not to say any about the characters *this is a joke, because some people say, what if you not an artist, you do not know anything about art* :3

[Rueby]

Hello if you want to know my opinion, i think your new character looks another, this is not your character anymore in my opinion, she looks like she have botox, lol, but i am not an artist and i can not to say any about the characters *this is a joke, because some people say, what if you not an artist, you do not know anything about art* :3

Hello amateur artist here to chime in and say that I think people who say that are wrong. You could know something about art and not be an artist. It just means you have very good observation/eye skill.

There are two things...Your eyes skill (observation, eye for detail etc) and hand skill (technical ability/execution)

Think of your eyes (observation/eye skill) as something that can level regardless of your technical ability (ability to draw, translate what's in your mind/imagination into something). I believe it's why sometimes artists hit a plateu of 'something feels off but I don't know what it is', it means your observation/eye is ahead of what you're currently able to produce. Or why at times someone would draw something and after finishing it starts noticing the flaws- all of which I find are amazing things because while discouraging it means that you're improving as an artist.

There's this euphoria when your eye skill and technical skill meet and you're actually content with the result.

I'm not sure if I made much sense but there it is. I think it's also why you see plenty of 'something is off' and 'something doesn't feel right' as a feedback here. People are seeing something is wrong but can't put a finger on it/unable to express it.

[twobear]

Seriously, I'll be very surprised if you say that. I will be very surprised if anyone even says this. And I’m most surprised that whoever did this to her didn’t see it himself. Perhaps he did it blindfolded, with his left leg? I don't know.
I'm surprised I have to even be here on this forum trying to get my posts noticed so they can fix it. I'm shocked that the people who do this work did it so mediocrely in my case.

Yes, they did the environment beautifully, as far as I can tell from what I've seen. For example, the flowers are beautiful. But I don't play for the flower. I played my character, who is now objectively broken and disfigured.

I'm sure our characters should have been a priority during the graphics update. For many of us, this is the most important part of the game. They said it was just as important to them. That they will approach this issue very delicately and will attach great importance to it. I believed them and did not doubt their words for a second. But at this point, I no longer trust a single word they say.

I've been looking at this. If I had to guess, the reason they've made the dimples at the end of the mouth deeper is actually an attempt to make the face a bit more 'realistic' (for want of a better word). The face on the left is basically smooth and flat right up to the mouth. But faces don't look like that. You have musculature and fat under the skin that don't lie completely flat. It may also be that with the old lighting, such a shape would be emphasised more and the character would look worse. So they've taken the opportunity to slightly tweak the shape with the new smoother lighting.

Is that the right decision? I don't know. It's possible that without the dimples, the character might start to look uncanny, with the combination of improved lighting and skin with a shape that is physically impossible. But I can't say.

[Doopliss]

Please, try to tell me that they are similar.

Hey, I just wanted to chime in as well because I know a lot of heat leaves and comes your way in particular. If it also helps you feel a little better, I also can easily spot the differences.

In the benchmark, her eyebrows have been combed and have ever-so-slightly less of an arch. Her hairline is different, due to the new head models not accommodating all of the current hairs. It rests lower on her forehead, and the sides are farther apart because the model is different. The cupid's bow of her lip is weaker, and the inner line of her mouth is straighter. The color of her bottom lip extends farther than it did before, causing the shape to look more homogeneous. She has much thicker mascara and the fat under her eyes is more defined. The star face paint has moved farther toward the front of her face--you can use her eyes as a reference. Light does appear to hit her lips in a blocky sort of way, which I'm assuming is a small error in the mapping.

I will say that she is indeed similar to eyes less used to paying attention to these things. But for you, myself, and many others, these tiny differences all adding up give an uncanny and different impression. Just focus on relaying your feelings to SE, and perhaps take a breath before doing so.

I know some people are responding with genuine confusion or curiosity, but there are a lot of people responding to anything like this in bad faith as well, regardless of one's attempts to "prove" themselves. It'll likely do your heart better to not interact with them or egg them on. I hope you're faring well, and just remember there are many people feeling the same way you do.