Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional

[Embran]

Speaking as someone who loves the updates, I really don’t like how dismissive some of us who ended up enjoying the changes are being. It’s entirely fair for people to be upset and to ask for change.

Granted, there’s bad faith arguments on both sides, but still.

[Ceetee]

The character creator isn’t the final product. They have a disclaimer saying this stuff is still a work in progress. The build from the benchmark itself could be months old.

It hasn’t passed any checks yet because the game is still in development. It’s important to point these issues out, but I don’t think it’s fair to drag the devs for these issues when the product isn’t final. It's entirely possible they fixed this very issue weeks ago internally.

Now, come 7.0 release day and these issues are still there, drag them all you want.

That is in fact the exact OPPOSITE of the mentality to have with design. You can work of feedback before release, but once your product goes gold your mode of development shifts.

They released the benchmark EXPLICITLY as a look into what changes are being made. It's not a finished product because THERE IS STILL TIME TO ACT ON FEEDBACK, but that time is very limited which is why we are all arguing about this with such urgency.

Plus, quite frankly, I've been through this song and dance enough times with enough games that I know it's only "It's not a finished product, just calm down and wait" doesn't stop at release, it just changes to "You should have complained when you had the chance, it's too late now."

So pardon me if I don't get down from atop my soapbox quite yet.

[coffeepotz]

That is in fact the exact OPPOSITE of the mentality to have with design. You can work of feedback before release, but once your product goes gold your mode of development shifts.

They released the benchmark EXPLICITLY as a look into what changes are being made. It's not a finished product because THERE IS STILL TIME TO ACT ON FEEDBACK, but that time is very limited which is why we are all arguing about this with such urgency.

Plus, quite frankly, I've been through this song and dance enough times with enough games that I know it's only "It's not a finished product, just calm down and wait" doesn't stop at release, it just changes to "You should have complained when you had the chance, it's too late now."

So pardon me if I don't get down from atop my soapbox quite yet.

You wear a mask so why do you care? jk jk

[Ceetee]

You wear a mask so why do you care? jk jk

I mean you aren't entirely wrong.

This is just my PvP outfit. My normal outfit DOES make use of the garlond goggles tho, which means I really do care less about the 'dead eyes' issue compared to others. In fact, my main looks fantastic! I'm so happy with how she looks! Some small tweaks to her makeup and removing the weird forehead jewel they turned into an LED, and I'm good to go.

But also, at the end of the day I'm a human being capable of empathy and my heart breaks for the people with their own issues. I have no interest in ever playing a mooncat. However, that doesn't mean I'm gonna sit here and roll my eyes when people who rolled mooncat specifically for the fangs end up losing them. I personally think a lot of the characters DO look better after the update. But that's because they changed stuff I personally didn't like about the models, but those exact features might be EXACTLY why someone picked them in the first place. I have a character I did that for, and it's absolutely devastating to see the changes. That character is the entire reason I came to the forums. I designed that character to look older by picking a rounder face that had the least natural makeup on it. It is now a slender face absolutely caked in makeup. A character designed to be my WoL's mom now EVEN YOUNGER THAN MY WOL.

It's an incredibly frustrating change to encounter, and I can only even begin to imagine how much more awful that feels when it happens to a character that IS your main. So yeah. I do care quite a bit. Even if you were looking at it from a purely selfish perspective, we all have to share a server together. And I dunno about you, but for me, people who are enjoying themselves are far more fun to be around than those who are miserable. I'd rather the changes make them happy.

[coffeepotz]

Sorry, I legitimately just chuckled cause I read your post and saw you wearing the mask. Didn't mean much by it.

[MuraBoy]

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Bruh... we really need to learn with the JPN section... it's amazing: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...見・要望・議論/page66

[KisaiTenshi]

Lack of eye shine
It seems that the static "eye shine" spot was removed, to be replaced by dynamic lighting. This is an issue as if the lighting is anything less than perfect (so most of the time) it just makes our characters look dead inside.

Keeper of the Moon fangs downgrade
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Lip shape changed on many race/gender combinations
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Certain miqote hairstyles missing ear patterns
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Lips are a downgrade across the board
This one is honestly baffling. How this texture passed quality control is beyond me, and lip glossiness is now a thing of the past.
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These are the ones I noticed in like the first 10 seconds of the benchmark. "What did they do to the face??", but at first I couldn't put my finger on it. So since I have all the benchmarks on disk I went back and looked at it. The benchmark is representive of the "Final state" of the game, but not necessarily the costumes. Yoshi-P and the team can push changes to costumes at any time, but the base models have to be in the initial download, because it will be retroactive all the way to the 2.0 content.

Honestly the eye teeth ("fangs") changes to me suggests they overhauled how mouth and lower-jaw work. Because if they did what I think they did, it's very likely all characters now have the same teeth, and there's just a tunable for the eye teeth size somewhere so the cat-like races can have them more or less visible, and male characters could have bigger ones.


The eye shine is concerning because it's an anime aesthetic. I no doubt that that the game probably looks better than the benchmark, since they'll never update the benchmark. However if that's how it ends up looking in the game, people are probably going to riot (metaphorically.)

[Heavenchild]

The update has its problems but I am really glad how it turned out for my Hyr.
Yes, he looks different now, and I am happy about it. Because I really hoped that it will be so!

I also hope for new voices or body types. At the moment there is no voice option that really matches with this Hyr baseface in my opinion. Also the body is a little bit too massive for this face. It's the same situation with the younger Elezen face compared to the body.

They said that they want to add more options after the graphics update. So lets see when and what it will be. : )

*edit
I also tried with just other cosmetics and really loved it. : D

[witchymumma]

While I am in the crowd of people not entirely happy with the change to my character (bun-girl using face 4, for some reason they completely changed the shape of our lips), in general the update looks pretty good (the textures on the clothes look so good, for example). I'm also one of those people who find the creative thought process quite interesting so I would be curious to know what prompted some of the more dramatic changes. ie, the shortening/blunting of the moon kitty fangs I keep hearing about. Or in more personal instance, the change in the shape of bun-girl face 4's lips - did they perhaps feel that face 4's lips were too similar to face 1's and they wanted to difference between the two to be more obvious?

And while it's awesome that they're giving us all a free fantasia at launch, judging from a lot of the comments here on the forums and on discord, it kinda seems like little more than a band-aid. It's great if you wanna have a fresh new look, but for the people who are only wanting to make small tweaks it's not as useful with the current customisation system (having features locked to a specific face).
Using my bun-girl as example again, I love how she looks in the benchmark, except for the new lips and sadly there is no amount of fantasia that I can throw at her that will allow me to slap face 1's lips onto face 4.... do you think they will ever give us a little more freedom/flexibility with facial/body customisation (like being able to pick eyes, lips, horns (if you're an au'ra), etc separate from face shape)?

edit: oh, and just for reference, here's the before and after:

[persephius]

I fully agree with you here. The graphics update for a majority of the models really isn't up to par yet (M Au Ra is the only one that looks like an overall huge improvement) and so close to the expansion release I really hope that they give us an option to opt out of the character model update until they can actually fix all of the numerous things wrong with them.

I don't recognize my WoL at all. That's not Persephius, that's Ser Phephius, the imposter...

I also did a full critique on the M Viera model here if anyone would like to read and add on.