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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibbers View Post
    I don't think the examples you give are analogous to the issue people are having. People have an emotional attachment to a character look that they created themselves and they spend far more time with the character than you or any other person.
    I play the game too. I have for nearly ten years now. The strong emotional attachment to one's character is not a foreign concept to me. That is a huge reason why I will not use fantasias on my avatar even to change her eye color (I've been tempted to do so to make them blue instead of purple, but I just can't do it). This is also a reason why I tend to not favor certain pieces of gear that alter the choices I made to my character in the custom creator, but I still may use them from time to time because they are temporary.

    What I am telling you is that based off of the images you have provided, these kind of changes would not make me feel the way you do. I am talking specifically to my own avatar. The only thing that is really going to do that are drastic changes that would make her not even look like the same character. That is what I would take issue with.

    The other thing that I do take issue with is if the change seems to take steps backwards in terms of quality. An example of this is the post from Miki at the top of this page. While I can tell it is the exact same character, it is very clear to me that the original looks like the higher quality image. She is using the same face as my character so I can really tell the differences here. The only thing that looks better in the Benchmark is the parting in the lips has a natural dark shade instead of a white line.

    These graphical updates should be unquestionably higher in quality, otherwise I have to ask WTF are they even doing and how much time did they spend on this? I/we should be awestruck by these images.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I play the game too. I have for nearly ten years now. The strong emotional attachment to one's character is not a foreign concept to me. That is a huge reason why I will not use fantasias on my avatar even to change her eye color (I've been tempted to do so to make them blue instead of purple, but I just can't do it). This is also a reason why I tend to not favor certain pieces of gear that alter the choices I made to my character in the custom creator, but I still may use them from time to time because they are temporary.

    What I am telling you is that based off of the images you have provided, these kind of changes would not make me feel the way you do. I am talking specifically to my own avatar. The only thing that is really going to do that are drastic changes that would make her not even look like the same character. That is what I would take issue with.

    The other thing that I do take issue with is if the change seems to take steps backwards in terms of quality. An example of this is the post from Miki at the top of this page. While I can tell it is the exact same character, it is very clear to me that the original looks like the higher quality image. She is using the same face as my character so I can really tell the differences here. The only thing that looks better in the Benchmark is the parting in the lips has a natural dark shade instead of a white line.

    These graphical updates should be unquestionably higher in quality, otherwise I have to ask WTF are they even doing and how much time did they spend on this? I/we should be awestruck by these images.
    So ultimately we've come down to arguing about subjective feelings. That's fine, but I think reacting strongly to a level of changing the expression and vibe of a character isn't really any less valid than not caring at all.

    I apologize in advance if I got this wrong, but it seems like you're arguing that because you personally are not bothered if a character model change alters your character's expression and vibe, it's not reasonable for other players to do so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibbers View Post
    So ultimately we've come down to arguing about subjective feelings. That's fine, but I think reacting strongly to a level of changing the expression and vibe of a character isn't really any less valid than not caring at all.

    I apologize in advance if I got this wrong, but it seems like you're arguing that because you personally are not bothered if a character model change alters your character's expression and vibe, it's not reasonable for other players to do so?
    Not once did I say your feelings are not valid. I've offered my condolences for your dissatisfaction, expressed how I can relate to your feelings, and complimented the beauty of your avatar and your style. Yet, you can only take my statements as negative simply because they do not align with yours. That's how this goes, and that's how all these threads will go. Anyone who has anything different to say other than shunning these changes and updates will be deemed as a contrarian.

    You're not in the wrong, but if I am not bothered by some of the updates, especially if feelings about them are subjective, then I am the one being unreasonable? Is the only way I can be reasonable is by joining the hate parade upset by these changes? That sounds a bit unfair.

    I don't find anyone's feelings on this matter to be invalid. I have mentioned my fair share of criticisms regarding some of these updates along with theirs. All I am saying is that for me personally, the changes are not significant enough to disconnect my emotional ties with my own character.
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