Viera Changes

[mazravxiv]

I made an account on this forum just to talk about the impact of the new graphics. My multiple Viera looked soulless / depressed no matter what settings I tuned. Seeing them has crushed me.

Lashes – inconsistently lit and set. Light-haired characters have no matching lashes. I like that the lashes match but make them thicker + consistent, or give options to toggle on/off. The lashes are half-lit across the face, so I get half white on one side + black lashes on the other. Combined with dead eyes, this is particularly saddening.




Skin - Skin translucency is shot. In the trailer and CC, they look oversmoothed / poorly lit. They also have no jawline aside from a faint shadow a lot. As an artist, I know jawlines don't look like this in these lighting sources. It was immediately noticeable when the characters moved. I'm glad that folks have shown how other games have fixed this issue.

Eyes + Face Shape – the dead fish eye look took the life out of my characters. Either put false catchlights back in or make sure that lighting is rendered properly across locations+sources. This made me want to cry b/c the light in my WoL's eyes reminds me of his strength. Face3 + Face4 have gotten hit hard. My main is F3. I'm echoing what others have said: face is too round, over-smooth, lower lips are too flat, and no angular features are left.





Ears – The half-lop ears have the most trouble in + out of CC. You can see the glowstick look in the trailer's first few seconds. The bad transparenct is even more obvious when he's near the sun.



Please consider changing this. Male Viera were an unexpected birthday present for me w/ EW. I'm giving this feedback out of love b/c I want to stay. I know you're still making improvements, so I remain hopeful.

[VerdeLuck]

As I already said, easiest fix would be to drop out Viera graphical update and retain the original look for this one race.

In current game version, this race looks great compared to all older races, all faces looks perfect in my opinion and everyone I know is satisfied with how the Viera looks. They have this specific charm which is lost in DT benchmark tool.

Is there someone who thought Viera needed any graphical "uplift"? Whose great idea it was?

On the other hand, kudos to all that beautiful enviroments and water, game finally advancing into 21 century ... within engine limitations of course
Also some older races benefited from this rework. Hyurs, Lalas, miqotes looks great in the new graphics.
Of course, these was also affected with minor changes on face, mainly the lips.
But I guess lips will be fixed until release, it looks like a common bug across all races.

This Viera fiacso however - I can imagine many Viera mains will not be excited for DT, including me
I dont think this will be fixed until DT release in 2 months, so best solution would be to exclude Vieras as a most negatively affected race from this update, or at least postpone it until devs squash all the bugs.

They don't need to be excluded from the update, but they need more attention because the current iteration of these updates absolutely butchered male viera's appearance.

[DiaDeem]

They don't need to be excluded from the update, but they need more attention because the current iteration of these updates absolutely butchered male viera's appearance.

Here, compromise.

[RulerKelso]

Sorry, no. I don't agree, and as you said: Everyone I know thinks the race looks better with the upgrade.

The issue with either of us saying that is that it doesn't really mean anything. Also, I could begin to tell you why the upgrade looks so much better to me, but I won't because I know for a fact I won't convince you.

That said, your suggestion of completely excluding Viera from the update is ludicrous.

Here's the solution: Compromise. We should have the upgrade. They should iterate based on feedback.

You'd be surprised at how amazing compromises can be when you have opposing arguments trying to meet in the middle.

Sure, I respect your opinion But as I said, there is just not enough time to fix this. I see lots of glaring problems with new Viera appearance and DT is just around the corner.

as you said: Everyone I know thinks the race looks better with the upgrade.

Well I did not know you and your opinion before, so now I know your thoughts on this matter.
You are probably one of the lucky ones, whom character was not devoid of its soul and sparkle. And Im glad for you. Have a nice evening

[moenbrydas]

the lips look AWFUL. they've completely lost their unique shape. his eyes look dead and the dark shadows over his eyelids are gone. his eyebrows look like they are several shades lighter even though i didn't touch anything. literally looks my viera saw a ghost or he is ill and about to cry/throw up

endwalker benchmark:


dawntrail benchmark:

[krawps]

i was so upset with the changes i had to search and see if other people were as well. the little bunny nose and dark shadow around the eyes is just completely gone. the shine to the hair and eyes as well. actually awful

[DiaDeem]

Well I did not know you and your opinion before, so now I know your thoughts on this matter.
You are probably one of the lucky ones, whom character was not devoid of its soul and sparkle. And Im glad for you. Have a nice evening

I want everyone to be happier with their characters. Yesterday I mentioned I hoped they had given us access to the characters earlier to have more time to iterate. If they really made their characters easier to work on (part of why they wanted to do the update) I can only hope they can implement feedback-based changes sooner for everyone.

[CCheshire]

I rarely post on OF but I felt like there was a downgrade of my Face 2 M Viera's head as I feel like they flattened the lips and oddly changed the nose.



Also, even if there's no lipstick ...his lips just look oddly darker than normal. I can give or take the Viera nose since I tend to ignore it already.

TBH his entire expression reminds me if someone sanded down an egg since it just kinda looks too smooth even for a game character with anime-like art.

[Pocan]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks my viera looks odd, he was delicate before, now he's depressed
They really need to do something before the launch, I like the details of the iris in the eyes, but the rest is a mess
I agree with the vieras been the race that needs most adjustments before Dawntrail, not just male, the female too

<< 7.0-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------6.0>>

ps: my computer is a little old, so the graphics my not be the best in both version, but is the only way i can play this game

[VerdeLuck]

Here's what I noticed going back and forth between the two. The nose also looks less rabbit-like since it's more rounded off and more human shaped.