Viera Changes

[Izayoichan]

I kinda see some good, but I agree with many others, a few of the things that made him very much him, is gone. The eyes bother me the most, and well I guess as someone who likes the more male look of the original, although I see all the work done, just doesn't feel right or sit well with me personally. to me it feels a but like he lost his will to fight, like he is done with it all. I even see it all through the benchmark, its just not the same character for me. (My elezen on the other hand I love everything with so its the bun sadly)

[ElixAlexander]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was concerned about how my Viera looked. I was so very happy with how he looked before but there are some key things that I noticed were really making him feel unfamiliar in the Benchmark.

* Shading on the nose is quite dark in benchmark compared to the more subtle shadow. It's making the nose shape overall look less slim.
* The lips are lacking definition, specifically the highlight around the cupids bow and the actual mouth itself
* The eyebrows and hair are very bright compared to the original and sometimes I can barely see my characters eyebrows in bright lights
* The eyelashes are not nearly as full now
* The definition around the eyes is all gone too

[Amvin]

I normally don't post in the forums - I just lurk and read. But this... what is happening! Yes he seems to be the same character but I was promised an upgrade and not a clear downgrade. I especially dislike how the lips look now, but also the eye make-up looks bright now when it was a darker color. The make-up is also unnaturally cut off on top, right under the eyebrows.

Not happy with the eyebrows either, but with my hairstyle they are somewhat hidden so I could live with that.

The eyes have an unnatural glow, it's kinda creepy! At the same time they look lifeless. The hair looks completely dull.

Altogether it looks like someone took the EW version and randomly colored it out in MS Paint, lol. I really hope they tweak some things.

[TomTomL]

Please Devs, can you revisit Viera face 3’s chin shadowing. There is a prominent ball of a chin now and extremely deep shadows around it that makes face look dirty, and chin look strange and disconnected. Especially with the new overly dark nose flattening the features out, this shadow around the chin creates way too much darkness and contrast on the face.

[Katish]

He looks like a completely different person, this is face 2...they did him poorly. (It seems they didn't take solid black eyes into the equation)

1. Irises are dead, bug-eyed
2. Softness gone
3. Lips are no longer there
4. Eyes have increased darkness that accentuates the dullness in the irises
5. Nose has a weird shadow

[Spooky_Biscuits]

does anyone have any faith that Square will actually acknowledge this or do people worry we are just yelling into the void? :c

[Kurpse]

does anyone have any faith that Square will actually acknowledge this or do people worry we are just yelling into the void? :c

If it were just Viera? Then yes.. There could be a possibility of it being an acceptable allowance of unhappy players.

However, reading the forums it seems that while yes, there are players that have seen an improvement. There are lot who haven't. If the changes were just lighting and shaders etc it would be fine but they've changed models, be it the nose, eyes and even the fangs on the Catgirls/Catboys.

As of now I'm taking these changes as a solid second draft; something to be worked on. The dev team have and always will want to make a game the we love. There's enough healthy feedback from players to help them move things in the right direction. That being said, doing I expect DT to be delayed? No. But I'd love an acknowledgement or an update on what the plan is for this moving forward.

[Lh-ourson]

For my alt I chose face 3 for its cuteness. Now, the corners of her mouth are straight, giving her a sad, stern look.
I hope we'll have an option to make the lips fuller and glossy again.

It's nice that the way the light enters the eyes has become realistic, but I agree with others that the Viera look lifeless, especially those with light eyes.

I also agree with most of you that the update has changed some key facial features, which changes the mood and overall look of the character.
She could be her own (little) sister with this reshaping, but she's not the same bunny in my eyes.

[Spooky_Biscuits]

If it were just Viera? Then yes.. There could be a possibility of it being an acceptable allowance of unhappy players.

However, reading the forums it seems that while yes, there are players that have seen an improvement. There are lot who haven't. If the changes were just lighting and shaders etc it would be fine but they've changed models, be it the nose, eyes and even the fangs on the Catgirls/Catboys.

As of now I'm taking these changes as a solid second draft; something to be worked on. The dev team have and always will want to make a game the we love. There's enough healthy feedback from players to help them move things in the right direction. That being said, doing I expect DT to be delayed? No. But I'd love an acknowledgement or an update on what the plan is for this moving forward.

Yeah I dont think theyd have to overhaul it to a point where it would delay DT but Id be okay with if the graphical update came at a later patch but since Im not a dev I dont know how possible that is based on how they built DT and if its pretty much natively developed with this new design. either way, i dont know if Im excited for the xpac cause of it and that makes me sad since i was so very hype

[Doopliss]

I thought I'd actually share my Viera in a more organized way too, since it's more convenient.

Left is Endwalker, right is Benchmark

I've a bunch of characters of varying races, but my fem Viera was one of the ones I was most devastated to see in the graphical update preview.

Her lip shape is very distinct in the live version of the game. I chose it along with that eye shape intentionally, and added grey eyeshadow to hide some of her eyeliner to specifically give her a gentler, somewhat forlorn look.

In the benchmark her lips are much less defined, her lash line/baked-in eyeliner is darker and higher set, and the dark gradient in her upper eyes is more intense. Her grey eyeshadow is no longer capable of obscuring as much, and this all makes her impression completely different to me. Like, sultry(?) instead. A fantasia can't fix this. It also appears that her racial hairstyle is less fitted to her head, and possesses more jagged lines.


On the other hand, I feel like my male Viera got by more okay. I do consider myself lucky though, since he has darker skin and a dark lip color. I had to change his lip color to 'none' in the benchmark, so I know others going for different impressions aren't faring so well.

I tried to make this face option look a little more mature than it normally does, but while keeping a friendlier/disarming impression. While I feel like that's still there, it just seems less...good. The lip shape is still obviously scuffed like most other faces, and, thanks to his tattoos, you can actually see more clearly that his nose bridge is different. His eyebrows are also noticeably weaker, and his teal eyelashes are hardly noticeable.

While I'm more willing to chalk up parts of this one to lighting differences, I still hope all faces will be adjusted with care.