"Enhanced Blacklist Functionality" Safety Concerns

[HollowedDoll]

If you're so worried about a person who cannot meaningfully interact with you in any way shape or form potentially standing there menacingly, then maybe use the mute function instead?
I for one welcome the option of not having to look at Limsan bots.

[Eastwall]

Yes I like the new options but putting myself in the shoes of somebody that's being harassed mercilessly, I wouldn't want to use those tools. I would want the GM teams to do something about it OR have reciprocal blacklist functionalities, like what people have asked for ages already, which is friendlist mutual removal for a start. It's maddening that it's still not implement just because "people might feel awkward when somebody gets removed from their FL". We're not just talking about removing someone from the FL (it's fine in this case if it's not mutual), we're literally talking about adding people to a BL.

Still a good step in the right direction though, just doesn't tackle the core issue yet.

Yeah, l agree. If you remove someone from your friend list, l can see the argument of not removing on the other side. But this is adding to black list... You would probably rejoice If that person gets into an automobile accident So that person is completely cut off from you

[LuciferNacht]

snip " I'd no longer have felt safe playing the game and I know I'm not alone in that."

My unpopular opinion here is simply going to be, if your "safety" is compromised by an invisible actor moving around your character in a virtual game - Get Help. You need therapy.

I'm not even trying to be edgy, you are not exhibiting a normal response to a non action in a virtual world. A black listed character under the new system means they cannot interact with you in a meaningful way, if you're going to be sitting there like "omg, are they next to me right now" that says so much about you. To the point where you rather use the lesser tool and mute them instead and watch them harass you? Nah. You want to live in your victimhood. Their erasure from the game and the fact you can hide yourself from them on the lodestone means their power has been stripped away. All the power they have left is in your head and you're handing it to them on a silver platter.

You've emotionally invested too much into this and you're now inventing harassment when you will no longer be able to see the player or see their chat.

I don't even care if this is the "how dare you it's 2024, it's mean to say anything against the victim, you victim blaming monster".

Yeah ok, get therapy and develop healthy coping skills.

Also peeps can hurl insults and reply ad nauseum. I just came to leave this one post. If you feel like OP, you also need to go get a therapist and put your stalkers on the actual blacklist.
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Anyway that aside,

SE do the friendslist next. That needs a complete revamp, if I remove a friend, it should be removed from their list as well. Also let us friend our alts.

[Boblawblah]

My unpopular opinion here is simply going to be, if your "safety" is compromised by an invisible actor moving around your character in a virtual game - Get Help. You need therapy.

I'm not even trying to be edgy, you are not exhibiting a normal response to a non action in a virtual world. A black listed character under the new system means they cannot interact with you in a meaningful way, if you're going to be sitting there like "omg, are they next to me right now" that says so much about you. To the point where you rather use the lesser tool and mute them instead and watch them harass you? Nah. You want to live in your victimhood. Their erasure from the game and the fact you can hide yourself from them on the lodestone means their power has been stripped away. All the power they have left is in your head and you're handing it to them on a silver platter.

You've emotionally invested too much into this and you're now inventing harassment when you will no longer be able to see the player or see their chat.

I don't even care if this is the "how dare you it's 2024, it's mean to say anything against the victim, you victim blaming monster".

Yeah ok, get therapy and develop healthy coping skills.

Also peeps can hurl insults and reply ad nauseum. I just came to leave this one post. If you feel like OP, you also need to go get a therapist and put your stalkers on the actual blacklist.
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Anyway that aside,

SE do the friendslist next. That needs a complete revamp, if I remove a friend, it should be removed from their list as well. Also let us friend our alts.

I disagree.

[Fawkes]

Another concern of mine is that this feature will also result in less stalking and harassment cases actually being resolved; you cannot report stalking and harassment that you don't know about, so less harassment cases are reported, therefore the harassers get a free pass to continue stalking and harassing as opposed to being reported and punished.

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, is it harassment?

[Reinha]

Their erasure from the game and the fact you can hide yourself from them on the lodestone means their power has been stripped away.

Pretty much. They can't make new alts to harass with and their entire account has been terminated from their former victim's view. All they can do is impotently sit behind their screen while no one notices or cares. It's similar to parasocial losers sending messages to their favorite content creator that will never be read. LMAO

[AzhreiVahlok]

There is one saving grace though: the fact you don't have to use it. The new Mute feature appears to work identically to the current Blacklist, so those of us that have safety concerns with the Enhanced Blacklist can use Mute instead. Thank god for that, because had this "Enhanced" Blacklist replaced the current Blacklist I'd no longer have felt safe playing the game and I know I'm not alone in that.
As mentioned before, you shouldn't be surprised if people continue to request total model removal, as the Enhanced Blacklist as currently proposed does not meet the needs of everyone who requested it.

In short, "Enhanced Blacklist Functionality" is "they get to keep stalking and harassing you, you just don't know about it" which is arguably worse than the current Blacklist. We want to be invisible to the people we blacklist as well, instead of only having them invisible to us.

Lastly to praise what was done well, because I don't like that the whole post was negative:
- Term Filter was everything that we asked for, and will be a godsend for everyone.
- Estate Expulsion is also incredible, and all it would take to make it perfect is an option to deny someone entry permanently.

holy crap the term filter... yes... THANK YOU. no more venue ads clogging MY chat log....

[Rongway]

It sounds like basically everything you don't like about the new blist is handled by putting people on the new mute list instead.

[MrJadeOfStars]

You're giving too much power to your harasser, with this new Backlist function you can't hear or even see them anymore and they can't enter your house. Stop feeding them attention, if your worried about your character just fantasia into the UGGGGGLYIST thing you can create in this game, a Hograther. Guarantee you they'll find another target.

[Boa-Noah]

I mean... what else are they supposed to do? If you can't see them then does it even matter if they're doing something goofy/weird? Making it a system where both parties can't see each other would be fine by me but I just don't understand what else could even be done that would be satisfactory outside of straight up machine banning the person that's stalking you. It seems like a pretty fine solution to the problem, heck if you do accidentally get paired in a duty finder, which would be rare anyways, their name doesn't even show up and you could just leave if they start something on the rare chance it happens.