If the game is getting harder then we will need dps metres. Official ones.

[Frogstone]

If normal dungeon are going to get harder, then we will need dps metres.

It makes dps more accountable
It helps improve dps

Running dungeons, raids and trials is a team game. And needs coaching to win.

Sure their will be idiots who misuse the data. However that will be minuscule to the massive help it will be.

And metres can help tank and healers as well.

[Absurdity]

I assume this is in response to Yoshi-P's comment about adding some stress back into the game.

I highly doubt we will suddenly have enrage wipe mechanics in normal mode.
It will just be to the extent that you might now actually be able to die in normal content.

[SailorCeti]

I assume this is in response to Yoshi-P's comment about adding some stress back into the game.

I highly doubt we will suddenly have enrage wipe mechanics in normal mode.
It will just be to the extent that you might now actually be able to die in normal content.

I already die in normal content. I don't touch anything higher. If this comes to pass, they lose a customer. Not that they'll care. Just saying.

[Jeeqbit]

No, we won't. We don't even need them for current savage. You can clear ultimates on a Playstation (and soon Xbox).

They are not going to get harder in the way you are suggesting either. If they get any harder, they are probably just referring to something like Heavensward or Stormblood, or easing up on the degree of telegraphing. If we're honest, there's probably nothing they can do to a dungeon that's going to make it much more challenging to a veteran player with years of /playtime, but they can make it more varied or threatening.

The only argument you can make for needing to track DPS is if there is an enrage, which I don't think there ever will be in a dungeon. And even in that scenario, you don't need to track DPS because if you wipe to enrage, then you have your answer: your DPS needs to be better.

Also doing good DPS scales with doing your rotation properly, optimizing for potency-per-second, mechanics and phase transitions, not letting cooldowns lapse unless it's to align with lots of raid buffs and gear, materia, food and damage potions. If you just do all that then you're never going to need to calculate your damage.

Now it does make DPS more accountable in the sense that you can look at someone else's damage and then attack them for doing their rotation completely wrong or still being in dungeon gear. But that is exactly why they aren't in the game, because that is the culture it creates.

You can usually spot who is not playing well by their ability to do mechanics and their HP being lower than average (indicating lower gear). If it was a static you would be able to just test them in a variety of content to see if they are playing well. You can see who is pulling their weight in dungeons for example and the best DPS usually has second enmity.

[Frogstone]

Now it does make DPS more accountable in the sense that you can look at someone else's damage and then attack them for doing their rotation completely wrong or still being in dungeon gear. But that is exactly why they aren't in the game, because that is the culture it creates.

No body attacks anyone. I ve had crap dps in wow. And in every dungeon run i did nobody attacked me. The most common comment was that their is something wrong in your rotation. And that was it. In eso they just have individual dps metres. You can opt into a group one if you wish. I have been attacked verbally in eso once out of the many hundreds of dungeon runs I ve had. And that was because the player was an asshole. I was a fail dps. And meters helped me improve my game. The benefit of metres outweighs the negative. However I am petitioning for them, even though I know they most likely never be an official feature. Every class has rotation guides. And every content creator has most likely an unofficial dps metre to inform us of the top preforming classes. In built dps metre so console players can parse their dps. It could be a individual metre or an opt in group one.

[Jeeqbit]

No body attacks anyone.

Context: I've played many MMORPGs, but not WoW. But in every MMORPG, I met players who had come from WoW and every single one of them told me it was extremely toxic and they quit because of it. This is something people told me consistently going back over the last 20 years. The perceived toxicity has always driven people away from that game.

I ve had crap dps in wow. And in every dungeon run i did nobody attacked me. The most common comment was that their is something wrong in your rotation.

Maybe it just changed recently, because this is what I have been told consistently by people who tried the game. It's been meme'd about on youtube by all the people who came from WoW to this game as well.

I was a fail dps. And meters helped me improve my game.

In this game, you can improve your game simply by looking up how to do a rotation, how gearing works and optimal settings and keybinds, or by watching a PoV video of your job clearing a fight so you can see how they perform a rotation while doing it, and compare it to yourself.

[strawberrycake]

Maybe it just changed recently, because this is what I have been told consistently by people who tried the game. It's been meme'd about on youtube by all the people who came from WoW to this game as well.

As someone who plays WoW currently and has over the years since I was 9 yeah no one cares unless you're in higher difficulty content, and a lot of the situations are rarely as one sided as people like to make them out to be. a lot of the Toxicness in WoW is more played up then it actually is, and a lot of people fall for it. People also have a bad habit of joining guilds and groups that are very upfront about using a meter and parsing high as a requirement and then when people can't keep up they feel slighted, and that happens more then a lot of these people are willing to admit. XIV is equally as toxic, it's just socially, not gameplay wise, tho it does happen here as well.

In this game, you can improve your game simply by looking up how to do a rotation, how gearing works and optimal settings and keybinds, or by watching a PoV video of your job clearing a fight so you can see how they perform a rotation while doing it, and compare it to yourself.

But all that being said we don't need them for any changes made. For example if we're going back to stormblood tiers of difficulty, people will just have to adjust and adapt. And if people need them that bad well, no one can say anything if people use them and keep it to themselves.

As per usual, it's a tool, and tools only provide info, they are harmless, it's the info and how it's used thats the issue.

[tsuchii]

Isn't ACT enough? Everyone and their raider grandma uses it. It even parses people that don't consent to it.

There's a reason it's not in the game - it's not necessary. I cannot think of any single duty with such a strict DPS requirement that it is necessary to look at the minute details.

[Saraide]

We didnt need official DPS meters back when healing and tanking was much more complicated. Why would we need them now?

[Araxes]

We didnt need official DPS meters back when healing and tanking was much more complicated. Why would we need them now?

Ahhh yes..... stance switching. Still miss it.