Can an expansion survive without a DPS?

[GoatOfWar]

But wait there is more: uptime actually never mattered on result. Melees (and casters) in ShB (and before) were already way above rphys on every chart.

Always has been :gun:

The only thing that uptime mattered for was actual effort.

Yeah, i mean.. Phys ranged has issues.
But they're at least still valued for their utility.
Any new tank would just become another jobber for Warrior mains to feel superior over.
I'd genuinely be sad if we got a cool new tank, because Warrior players will just end up having it all streamlined and homogenised, and coming out the winner.

[Valence]

Yeah, i mean.. Phys ranged has issues.
But they're at least still valued for their utility.
Any new tank would just become another jobber for Warrior mains to feel superior over.
I'd genuinely be sad if we got a cool new tank, because Warrior players will just end up having it all streamlined and homogenised, and coming out the winner.

They're valued for what utility exactly? Everybody has utility those days. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying nobody appreciates curing waltz, or a bit more party mitigation, but is this truly such a boon from the role those days?

They can't even raise.

I'd trade half or all of my utility as a rphys player if it meant I was actually bringing something on the damage department to my party. It would be sad, but I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's not like mitigation abilities are exactly thrilling to use those days anyway.

[GoatOfWar]

They're valued for what utility exactly? Everybody has utility those days. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying nobody appreciates curing waltz, or a bit more party mitigation, but is this truly such a boon from the role those days?

They can't even raise.

I'd trade half or all of my utility as a rphys player if it meant I was actually bringing something on the damage department to my party. It would be sad, but I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's not like mitigation abilities are exactly thrilling to use those days anyway.

Raid buffs are also really nice.
But yeah, i'm not disagreeing with you per se.
I'm just saying that at least you've got *something* going.
PLD and DRK are just Warrior downgrades now.

[Supersnow845]

Raid buffs are also really nice.
But yeah, i'm not disagreeing with you per se.
I'm just saying that at least you've got *something* going.
PLD and DRK are just Warrior downgrades now.

Raid buffs are just damage in disguise

Even with their buffs they are still low on damage

About the only niche case you can make is you can feed gear to a melee player who gets dance partner but that’s incredibly niche

[Valence]

Raid buffs are also really nice.
But yeah, i'm not disagreeing with you per se.
I'm just saying that at least you've got *something* going.
PLD and DRK are just Warrior downgrades now.

No, I actually have nothing. Supersnow said it already, but you can turn that raid damage buff into personal damage and rphys would still suck the same way. It doesn't add up. And it's the same with SMN and RDM now.

But on the other hand if you make everybody the same on that department, then you can just remove melees from the game since ranged jobs will be able to do do what melees do on melee spots anyway. It's cursed either way.