[History&Lore FeedBack] Stop killing your light!

[Cleretic]

Did FF 5 mechanically change when that happened though? Because giving you Relm with Galuf's exact job levels and everything kind of mechanically disconnected that death.

It actually does, but in fairly minor ways. Galuf and Krile's base stat spreads are different; Galuf's got the lowest Agility but highest Stamina in the game, so he'll by default wind up slower but with more HP. Meanwhile Krile's actually the fastest but has the lowest stamina. Krile's also tied for the lowest base Strength, and is very nearly tied for base Magic, both times competing with Lenna; meanwhile, Galuf's other stats are both one point off from Bartz's. (Surprisingly, Faris is the one barreling right down the middle on very stat, she's always second or third.)

You don't notice that because jobs and equipment have much more noticeable and controllable impacts, you'd probably only see the differences right at the start, but they are there. If you're really going min-max on FFV, you would be giving Galuf and Krile different jobs.

[Vyrerus]

VI killed 10 Moogles, 3 Imperials, and 1 Assassin, all playable characters at some point... Though most were filler for plot events. The two biggest being General Leo and Shadow.

I think Arvis and Banon also technically died due to being in Vector during the Warring Triad apocalypse, but that was off screen technically (though I suppose that applies to the playable moogles as well).

FFII was actually the first game in the series to kill party members though, starting with Josef being crushed by Borghen's Boulder. Next would be Minwu dying to unlock Ultima. Leila had a fake death, disappearing when Leviathan swallowed her ship. And Ricard Highwind sacrificed himself to hold off the Hell Emperor while the party escaped with Leon on the last wyvern of Deist. Technically it is also the first entry to have a character become playable after they die, since Scott, Gordon's brother, becomes playable in the later remaster/remake ports of the game in Minwu's party. It also killed side characters like Cid.

Anyway, details aside, the series is no stranger to main party line death nor death in general. It's always used in line with the story being told and setting the tone for the story.

[Keichi]

Yes, it is needed to bring excitement in the story.
Its hard to tell a good story, if there is never any danger to the character in it.
It even create unbelieve. Like: why did Tataru survived the attack in ARR? When the enemy killed everyone else?

Or by Krile. There was a real feeling of danger, when her things happens in SB. "What did they want from her? Im warning you, that you shouldnt harm her."
Its even make it questionable, that whe dont have any loses anymore, since stormblood.
You would think, that whe would have any loses again in EW, when it is the final fight, with all live on the play. As example: it would have been maybe a good moment for Uriange or Thranced to go out of the play (Thranced has fullfilled his main role, and Uriange could have sacrifficed himself, because of the guilt he feeled -i want Yshtola out of the story, until she has written the book, with all the knowledge, they obtained).

The only reason, why its hard now to kill any of the scion would be, that whe would need a replacement for them. They are now the right numbers, to make the 8 man raids possible.

[Lyth]

From a writer perspective, if your audience is going out of their way to volunteer a specific named character to be killed off in the name of more drama, then that's obviously not the play. Instead, you find the character that they actually care about, and sacrifice that one instead. Common sense, really.

This is not Animal Crossing.

You'd think that, until Furi and his fellow Auspices show up to repossess unused player housing for non-payment of dues.

[Cleretic]

From a writer perspective, if your audience is going out of their way to volunteer a specific named character to be killed off in the name of more drama, then that's obviously not the play. Instead, you find the character that they actually care about, and sacrifice that one instead. Common sense, really.

Yeah, the reason Y'shtola will never die is because everyone keeps saying she should.

The OP is a pretty obvious drive-by troll, though. I think they've almost brought up an interesting discussion point, but let's not pretend they're here to argue with, or were ever genuinely arguing.

[kaynide]

I would just say, FF7 was the first time my jock-friends were talking about a video game openly at school. And it was a first time I got a “hey, you play games right, how do I get past xxx boss?”, as opposed to a “man I don’t get what you like about games bro”, or “isn’t Zelda a girls name? Dude doesn’t look like a girl”. (SNES era)

[Cleretic]

I would just say, FF7 was the first time my jock-friends were talking about a video game openly at school. And it was a first time I got a “hey, you play games right, how do I get past xxx boss?”, as opposed to a “man I don’t get what you like about games bro”, or “isn’t Zelda a girls name? Dude doesn’t look like a girl”. (SNES era)

Yeah, in my experience the schoolyard divide once we hit the PS2-Gamecube era wasn't between 'gamers versus non-gamers', but what games you played. It was a given that you did, even if it wasn't your whole thing, but were you in the Halo crowd, the sports games/Guitar Hero crowd (this kinda blended together in my experience), the WoW crowd, the Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts crowd, the Nintendo crowd?

I was uncool, but it wasn't because I played games at all; it was that the games I played were either thoroughly lame or completely unknown to everyone else of my age group. (And also several other reasons, that wasn't exactly my single flaw.)

[MikkoAkure]

Huh? Unless my family is an outlier, I grew up under the impression that video games were mainstream even for adults in the early 90s.

I was introduced to video games by my otherwise extremely traditional grandma and my aunt on NES/SNES and we would have Tetris Attack tournaments (Yoshi asset swap of Panel de Pon with an unfortunate name which means it’ll never get re-released in the US due to copyright). Later I used to even ask my grandma to come over to help me with certain Sonic levels. My mom had an Atari Jaguar. The only “nerd gamer” in my family was an uncle who played the early PC games like Myst and Cyberia.

Can’t say anything about FF though since I was only vaguely aware of its existence until I saw a long ad for FFX on Toonami.

[kaynide]

Huh? Unless my family is an outlier, I grew up under the impression that video games were mainstream even for adults in the early 90s.

I was introduced to video games by my otherwise extremely traditional grandma and my aunt on NES/SNES and we would have Tetris Attack tournaments (Yoshi asset swap of Panel de Pon with an unfortunate name which means it’ll never get re-released in the US due to copyright). Later I used to even ask my grandma to come over to help me with certain Sonic levels. My mom had an Atari Jaguar. The only “nerd gamer” in my family was an uncle who played the early PC games like Myst and Cyberia.

Can’t say anything about FF though since I was only vaguely aware of its existence until I saw a long ad for FFX on Toonami.

The only adult I knew in the 90s that actively played games (daily-ish anyway) was my dad, and it was strictly DOOM/Wolfenstein kinda stuff, or Warcraft/Starcraft/Command and Conquer RTS games. He would watch me play and might have input on what I was doing in say, Diablo or Chrono Trigger, but he wasn't really interested in the game itself so much as hanging out with his kid(s). And even then he was kinda embarrassed about it I think- at first he wouldn't play until all the kids went to bed.