Astrologian Seals?

[Local_Custard]

I'm trying to see what I can understand about each deity to label them according to celestial, solar, and lunar. Some of obvious- Menphina is lunar because she is of the moon. Azeyma is solar because she is of the sun. Celestial is a bit harder to pin down, though I have Thaliak as a maybe. If the seals were placed with consideration of astrologian lore, how might you have distributed them?

[Ancalagon_Blacktalon]

Your post is the first mention of the word 'Paladin' in this thread; we can safely assume that Anonymoose was not mentioning Paladin, and this is instead just you wanting to pick a fight about something you're mad about for some reason. Moose was probably thinking about the actual subject of the thread, Astrologian--

errrr

As a caveat we should probably also mention for completeness' sake that the lore for job-related abilities has gotten much thinner and vaguer since they started adding and removing them from the game every time bars got bloated or imbalanced.

this sounds a lot more generalized to me? and I wasn't trying to pick a fight, I was pointing out, in response to this specifically, that job lore for some classes was already pretty thin without them revamping them.

[Anonymoose]

Personally, I wasn't seeing "lore about jobs" and "lore about job-related abilities" as conceptually 1:1 to begin with.

Personal opinions regarding overall [insert job here] lore don't factor much into my observation that, "it seems like we used to have more quests where the reward for the quest was unlocking an ability - and in that quest you'd learn about the lore of the ability - and sometimes the story even brought that ability into the events - and then (when the devs decided to start changing and removing abilities) they had to do a lot of text changes because those quests didn't give you those abilities anymore - and now it seems like they make fewer quests like that".



Kinda weird to have a whole spiel about leeches when we all have have esuna now, you know?

[WhiteArchmage]

When one sees the job quests from Shadowbringers on, it certainly feels like they're writing around our skills, giving themselves more room to keep the "soul" or "idea" of the job after changes. When they do explain your skills, it's during the introductory solo duty, which is easier to rewrite in the case of a major revamp instead of... well, Bard... and Scholar... and Astro...

Like many of the decisions I find... questionable, I chalk it up to ARR growing pains. I understand why they chose to integrate the job quests so deeply to the skills they were giving out, it makes them feel more immersive and gives weight to those skills... but also some were just not fun (particularly blocking SCH's cleanse until level 40 and having a mandatory cleanse in Brayflox, where you're capped at 34) so a rework was warranted.

[Cleretic]

It's also worth noting that, if we want to beat up on Paladin's job quests, they have always been like that. There's jobs that have had serious revamps whose job quests struggle with that (AST), there's more minor ones that still feel a little weird even if they mostly square it (SCH). But Paladin's never had a meaningful revamp or retooling; it's always had the problems it has in terms of the HW storyline kneecapping its Paladinliness.

If anything a revamp might find a way to fix it, maybe by putting a DPS-boosting tool at level 60 so you could frame that 'power goes to the strongest' thing as a slightly extreme interpretation.

[JepMZ]

Nope, no lore about the gameplay overhaul. I think it's supposed to be like zodiac sign associations, but it's redundant since each card already is a zodiac sign for each of the constellations. And it doesn't even make sense. The ice oriented card featuring the moon isn't even the moon seal. The earth oriented card is the sun seal? I feel like they only assigned the seals because they split of the 6 cards to magic buff and physical buff groups and thats it. They dont work like this during the original release. I try incorporating seals to ingame card readings, but it's temporary because it all can change for the next expansion