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    Commander_Justitia's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    I love people who don't want others to get stuff that was limited to 100 per data center, and rife with wintraders and people intentionally sabatoging so others couldn't get wins.


    Let's ask this then. Why did they put pve mounts as pvp rewards?
    Yes and we hoped GMs would deal with them, but mostly they didn't. Now lets punish the players for it?
    There have been numerous suggestions on how to fix it, different reward systems, a top100 and a participation version, making pools of items for seasons that can be exchanged with a voucher, so it does make more sense when the game system changes dramatically. Dealing with alt players in a separate leaderboard, so they wont show up in top100. Having top100 by role (when we had them healer/tank/melee/range), increasing the rewarded people by 300%. More datacenters were made too, doubled top100 slots as well.

    But well, they rather closed that chapter off. And introduced "series". Now rewards are a time grind, and ranked player have nothing to really play for, which made a lot of vets quit out of boredom of competition, while the game mode got more RNG with 5 players instead of 4. More likely you get 1 player who doesnt know what to do.

    I don't know what else rewards they should give, maybe a PvP mount that is 20% faster than the series PvP version, or a special icon name plate, similar to mentor icon, instead of a "PvP white flag" they would show your obtained rank/tier. Give PvP players something to show off, because they did good.

    And given that most of the stuff was reskinned at least 2 sometimes 4 times in different seasons. Uggh... It is really not that much "uniqueness" they got after 22 seasons.
    I think it is nice for a game to have rare items, but I know this game likes to make almost everything easy to get.

    So lets start with legacy tattoos, titles and mounts, the soundtrack minions from 2.x and a way for PvP players to get ultimate weapons with wolfcollars, then we can talk about it.
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    Sure, I don't care. Except the legacy tattoo. You can't have that.


    But the rest? Sure. Who cares.
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    Why not? it was time exclusive, I thought people hate that :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia View Post
    Why not? it was time exclusive, I thought people hate that :P
    Ahh, but see, here's the thing. Feast rewards weren't time exclusive. It was hard number of people who could earn them. 100 per data center.

    If it was just time exclusive I wouldn't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Ahh, but see, here's the thing. Feast rewards weren't time exclusive. It was hard number of people who could earn them. 100 per data center.

    If it was just time exclusive I wouldn't care.
    Ah right, wrong word, limited-time reward, more describes it.
    Though just as the legacy tattoo was limited. They have their low sub fee, they can keep it special that way, also don't need to appear in the credits.
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    Savage raid rewards dont go away with new raids coming out
    Same as in wow. why do pvpers get special treatment? The prestige is getting them early
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    Savage raid rewards dont go away with new raids coming out
    Same as in wow. why do pvpers get special treatment? The prestige is getting them early
    37 seasonal mount rewards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reimmi View Post
    Savage raid rewards dont go away with new raids coming out
    Same as in wow. why do pvpers get special treatment? The prestige is getting them early
    Disclaimer, this comparison gets made every few months. Sometimes they compare it to Savage, sometimes to Ultimate, fundamentally the argument will be the same. I'll highlight the differences below. Simply put...
    • Raids - You are fighting together with other players against a scripted AI. The actual challenge will not change if you do it now or later, baring a few potency changes. You are also not competing against each other for anything aside of the World First race semi-officially held every raid tier and ultimate. You are in a challenge and get a reward.
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    • Ranked PvP - You are fighting with other players against other players. The challenge is completely in flux with how good the players you play against are and can vary from season to season. You are quite literally competing against each other in the most direct sense of Player VS Player, meaning that there WILL be winners and there WILL be losers, which is necessary to determine who is the better player worthy of the trophy. You are in a competition and get a trophy.

    Now, I personally have given plenty of compromises we could have to give weaker players a chance at some of the designs available (including in this very thread), but the point is that PvP and Raiding could fundamentally not be any more different to how they grant high value items. Love it or hate it, but this is high level PVE vs PVP in a nutshell.

    TL;DR: Challenge + Reward in raids vs Competition + Trophy in pvp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia View Post
    Why not? it was time exclusive, I thought people hate that :P
    I'd be down for that, but I also hold no value in digital things. You can have my unobtainable title for free as a login reward. But things like pvp rewards, at least to me, should always be earnable forever. But I want the game to be better, and I think a tattoo you can hardly ever see has no value to me as a player. Plus, people can mod the tattoo. Hell, they can mod your coat as well. It's not like any of these digital items are sacred. I can mod ultimate weapons, and with Mare, all my friends can see it. Commander coat, you got it. But it feels better when you can earn it.
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    I really don't get why this keeps coming up, It's not gonna happen so what if there was win traders that doesn't devalue the other people who legitimately grinded top 100. If anything you should ask for ranked to be given more appealing rewards besides plates with a different number

    But if by some miracle it did it definitely shouldn't be wolf collars.
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    Last edited by JuicyHeals; 04-10-2024 at 02:42 AM.

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