Machinist Lunchbox Toggle

[Limecat]

I think it looks stupid and want to be rid of it, any arguments whatsoever to the contrary be damned.

[Vyrerus]

You're really splitting hairs here.

With the PLD shield hidden you can still use multiple abilities that require a shield and you can still visibly see your character blocking auto attacks with it, with a loud metallic "DONK" no less.

But it's simply out of the question to hide the MCH lunchbox because it makes your magic bullets in the lore.

That is very silly.

Yeah I didn't really like that the Garo event added the invisible shield either. But Garo's aesthetic didn't want shield in there, and that's why it's a thing. The Emperor's New Shield available for 100k MGP is the out of Garo event version of that, since Garo ended.

Turns out the dev team does what it wants, and it doesn't always make for cohesive gameplay elements. Sad for us, really. Shows a distinct lack of care on their part, and if they don't care, we get slop.

And you ignored half of my rationale, by the way. It's not just that it makes magic bullets. It's that you get the job from the guy who gives it to you. The lunchbox IS the job class, in other words.

I don't think it's silly at all to want the defining instrument of a job to be what is displayed on the job. I will say I do wish they made it more stylized and different with every paired gun, but I guess I could chock it up to the devs not respecting their own lore/world again. /shrug

[Raikai]

Yeah I didn't really like that the Garo event added the invisible shield either. But Garo's aesthetic didn't want shield in there, and that's why it's a thing. The Emperor's New Shield available for 100k MGP is the out of Garo event version of that, since Garo ended.

Turns out the dev team does what it wants, and it doesn't always make for cohesive gameplay elements. Sad for us, really. Shows a distinct lack of care on their part, and if they don't care, we get slop.

And you ignored half of my rationale, by the way. It's not just that it makes magic bullets. It's that you get the job from the guy who gives it to you. The lunchbox IS the job class, in other words.

I don't think it's silly at all to want the defining instrument of a job to be what is displayed on the job. I will say I do wish they made it more stylized and different with every paired gun, but I guess I could chock it up to the devs not respecting their own lore/world again. /shrug

Also to add that Samurai currently can buy a wooden training katana (for MGP) without an actual scabbard, which is essential to Iaijutsu techniques since the aether is stored there. Or a White Mage sharing Edda's Scythe weapon model, from mogstation, with a Black Mage, when in lore is clearly stated that both need to use different types of staves. A Gunbreaker who can equip the pvp spiked club, even though it doesn't have a gun barrel for the cartridges. There are probably other outliers that I'm not remembering rn.

In the end, this kind of stuff is not the norm, and probably means to have players imagine their jobs a little bit outside of the box.

Edit: Plus they can always justify an invisible lunchbox or whatever, because of 'glamour'. Scholars and Summoners can make glamour illusions to alter their companion's appearance.

[CidHeiral]

And you ignored half of my rationale, by the way. It's not just that it makes magic bullets. It's that you get the job from the guy who gives it to you. The lunchbox IS the job class, in other words.

I didn't ignore it, I just didn't want the quote to be a mile long and it was the same point as the rest of your post which I included. The response is the same either way, lore justifications do not trump gameplay whichever way you want to slice it.

I don't think it's silly at all to want the defining instrument of a job to be what is displayed on the job.

Then don't use the option to hide it. Problem solved. No reason for everyone else to have to deal with it just because your selective scruples prohibit you from doing so.

[Vyrerus]

I didn't ignore it.

No, you did. You can admit when you're being selective with your argument in order to try and make it seem stronger than it is.

And it's not a lore justification. Again, it's literally the job. That's not just lore. That's the gameplay material as well. If you don't like it, play another job. Problem solved.

If they continually water down the setting just to appease this type of stuff, it makes the game less appealing. The game itself loses its identity, just like the classes do. We really don't need to lose anymore for the sake of your damned aesthetic idolatry.

[CidHeiral]

No, you did. You can admit when you're being selective with your argument in order to try and make it seem stronger than it is.

lmao ok dude

And it's not a lore justification. Again, it's literally the job. That's not just lore. That's the gameplay material as well. If you don't like it, play another job. Problem solved.

All of your abilities don't fire out of your lunchbox. The only animation it's involved with that isn't entirely "cuz the lore says so" is Overcharge, where your character gives it a barely noticeable slap for half a second.

Having a meltdown about other people hiding their lunchbox and in the same breath hand waving away Paladins being able to throw and block things with a non existent shield is an absurd position. You're becoming irate because you know you've dug yourself into a nonsensical hole.

If they continually water down the setting just to appease this type of stuff, it makes the game less appealing. The game itself loses its identity, just like the classes do. We really don't need to lose anymore for the sake of your damned aesthetic idolatry.

So you agree it's a lore issue and not a gameplay issue.

[BokoToloko]

I wouldn't have an issue with the lunchbox if it's design went along with the weapons but, since it doesn't, any glamour that's not steampunk based is condemned to wield a jarring box that clashes with their preferred glamour. And I would really love if the only way to keep it hidden wasn't through under-the-table methods.

No, you did. You can admit when you're being selective with your argument in order to try and make it seem stronger than it is.

And it's not a lore justification. Again, it's literally the job. That's not just lore. That's the gameplay material as well. If you don't like it, play another job. Problem solved.

If they continually water down the setting just to appease this type of stuff, it makes the game less appealing. The game itself loses its identity, just like the classes do. We really don't need to lose anymore for the sake of your damned aesthetic idolatry.

For something that is "literally the job", the aetherotransformer sure has been going unnoticed for most of the job design and story, even in Heavesward. Like... one mention and a one animation, perhaps? But, let's assume that the lunchbox is still that importants for a moment. What stops literally anyone from slapping a glamour prism on it in order to make it invisible? Or Stephavinien to create a slimmer version that can be hidden from the eye? Hell, SE could use that last excuse to go further than that and create additional unlockable lunchbox designs (unlikely, but it's still an idea).

Even in your scenario, there is really no argument lorewise that stops SE from giving the option of toggling the aetherotransformer visibility, specially since they didn't bother designing models to go along with the weapons like the BRD's quivers.

And I don't know about you but... I'm pretty people don't pick Machinist for the lunchbox, they do it for the pew-pew and the gadgets. The lunchbox is, at best, a cosmetic addition for the playerbase and, at worst, an eyesore.

[Themarvin]

Pick another job if so.

[BokoToloko]

Pick another job if so.

Sure. Just create a physical ranged DPS job for me that uses a gun, gadgets and keeps MCH gameplay only it doesn't show the ugly lunchbox on the side and I'll be all set