Machinist Lunchbox Toggle

[Dillon0_o]

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[Vyrerus]

That's your aetherotransformer. It's integral to the operation of the Machinist's arsenal. It's how the layman can operate the machines that Machinist uses. It is more your weapon than your gun is. It is not a lunch box.

[Raikai]

That's your aetherotransformer. It's integral to the operation of the Machinist's arsenal. It's how the layman can operate the machines that Machinist uses. It is more your weapon than your gun is. It is not a lunch box.

So, why paladins can hide their shield with an invisible glamour? Isn't a shield integral to their skillset as well? Also before it was a thing, Machinists could hide that Gauss Barrel thing on top of their weapon.

I'd love to be able to hide not just the lunchbox, but the BRD's quiver as well, which in fact some quivers actually clip through the sheathed bow, which is wild to me.

[Enkidoh]

So, why paladins can hide their shield with an invisible glamour? Isn't a shield integral to their skillset as well? Also before it was a thing, Machinists could hide that Gauss Barrel thing on top of their weapon.

I'd love to be able to hide not just the lunchbox, but the BRD's quiver as well, which in fact some quivers actually clip through the sheathed bow, which is wild to me.

Because a shield is a seperate unique slot in your character screen (the same slot is used by Disciples of the Hand and Land for their secondary tool), where as the MCH's aetherotransformer is a default appearence that is added with the Job equipped. GLA doesn't even start with a shield, they start with a sword only (the shield slot is empty, and technically isn't even compulsory for the class/Job - theoretically you could never equip a shield at all, although some GLA/PLD abilities require it, like Shield Lob, and so would be greatly limited gameplay wise, to say nothing of making the class/Job far less effective in party content).

ARC/BRD's quiver however is something different, that appearence is part of the bow's model and so changes according to whatever bow you happen to equip. To remove that would require every bow model in the game to be remodelled accordingly, something SE simply isn't going to do.

[Vyrerus]

So, why paladins can hide their shield with an invisible glamour? Isn't a shield integral to their skillset as well? Also before it was a thing, Machinists could hide that Gauss Barrel thing on top of their weapon.

I'd love to be able to hide not just the lunchbox, but the BRD's quiver as well, which in fact some quivers actually clip through the sheathed bow, which is wild to me.

It's a separate piece of gear that shows up on the character for starters. Beyond that it only goes into the Shield Bash and Shield Lob GCD skills (and used to go into Shield Swipe). All fairly minor and supplemental, much like the shield.

As far as Gauss Barrel goes, it wasn't always hideable when it still existed. It got requested to be hideable, and it became hideable later. This was due to them never designing the guns around it, causing it to clip and make almost all guns uniformly ugly. They eventually scrapped it wholesale when they got rid of the casting stances for Ranged physical. I miss it sometimes. Just another example in the ongoing Machinist reworks that go completely unexplained lore wise.

As for the Aetherotransformer... It is important to the class fantasy, because Stephanivien did not invent guns. He invented the aetherotransformer and brought in firearms instructors to have a gun as the mainstay in a Machinist's arsenal, because guns are easy to use. He does modify and make newer guns, like the Ferdinand, that rely on pressurized wind aether instead of gunpowder and the like, and for any such firearm, the aetherotransformer is how the Machinist has ammunition for them. You make bullets from your aether, using the aetherotransformer.

[Windfire]

Nope can't hide it, oh but you can tank in a bikini or in your underwear or run around in literal mascot costumes but hiding the fugly lunchbox? NAY! That would break immersion!

[CidHeiral]

It's a separate piece of gear that shows up on the character for starters. Beyond that it only goes into the Shield Bash and Shield Lob GCD skills (and used to go into Shield Swipe). All fairly minor and supplemental, much like the shield.

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As for the Aetherotransformer... It is important to the class fantasy, because Stephanivien did not invent guns. He invented the aetherotransformer and brought in firearms instructors to have a gun as the mainstay in a Machinist's arsenal, because guns are easy to use. He does modify and make newer guns, like the Ferdinand, that rely on pressurized wind aether instead of gunpowder and the like, and for any such firearm, the aetherotransformer is how the Machinist has ammunition for them. You make bullets from your aether, using the aetherotransformer.

You're really splitting hairs here.

With the PLD shield hidden you can still use multiple abilities that require a shield and you can still visibly see your character blocking auto attacks with it, with a loud metallic "DONK" no less.

But it's simply out of the question to hide the MCH lunchbox because it makes your magic bullets in the lore.

That is very silly.

[Vyrerus]

You're really splitting hairs here.

With the PLD shield hidden you can still use multiple abilities that require a shield and you can still visibly see your character blocking auto attacks with it, with a loud metallic "DONK" no less.

But it's simply out of the question to hide the MCH lunchbox because it makes your magic bullets in the lore.

That is very silly.

Yeah I didn't really like that the Garo event added the invisible shield either. But Garo's aesthetic didn't want shield in there, and that's why it's a thing. The Emperor's New Shield available for 100k MGP is the out of Garo event version of that, since Garo ended.

Turns out the dev team does what it wants, and it doesn't always make for cohesive gameplay elements. Sad for us, really. Shows a distinct lack of care on their part, and if they don't care, we get slop.

And you ignored half of my rationale, by the way. It's not just that it makes magic bullets. It's that you get the job from the guy who gives it to you. The lunchbox IS the job class, in other words.

I don't think it's silly at all to want the defining instrument of a job to be what is displayed on the job. I will say I do wish they made it more stylized and different with every paired gun, but I guess I could chock it up to the devs not respecting their own lore/world again. /shrug

[fantasiaaddict]

for the last time, they said they weren't going to change anything about it