Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
If you want to discuss bad faith, the only person who used the word "complicated" is you. You are the one who has decided to write off requests and suggestions as "unnecessarily complicated." So if you want to avoid bad faith, consider meeting people where they are and understanding their perspective perhaps. They are the group that feels they have lost something. You have not, and are in no danger of losing anything nor is the group you oppose advocating for you to be incapable of completing the content you are already actively participating in.

I also was not suggesting that literally every old player is asking for the same thing. I would like to believe that we can make casual statements and collectively understand what one another is talking about, or if there is confusion, simply asking for elaboration. "When you say 'old players,' do you mean everyone from before Shadowbringers?'" Yet I constantly am reminded that every statement needs its own footnotes paragraph to help explain nuance and colloquial discussion as to make sure nothing is misunderstood. Regardless... in order for players to feel upset about the loss of something, such as job elements, they have to have experienced those elements first. Meaning those players have to have been playing since at least Stormblood in order to have experienced those elements, which seems to be what the conversation is referencing when discussing "old players." That is why I used the term as such. Make no mistake though, that doesn't mean there aren't new players who feel the job design area is lacking. There have been players who have dropped by and stated as such before, that the further they got into FFXIV, the more they have recognized the flaws in its job design.
Once again, you don't really answer to the conversation. Please read it. I perfectly understand what you're saying, I agree with some points, but I don't agree at all about the fact that success metrics shouldn't matter - which was the point at the start.

To simplify : I don't think, no, that the old SMN playerbase (by extension, in this conversation "old player" = all those before the rework, at least that's how I understood it) should necessarily be consulted and/or be satisfied with its evolution. What should matter is the interest of the job. An objective that is not currently being met, we agree on that.