Bring summoner back please

[CNitsah]

The fact is, it's one of the most played class, if not the most played, so I don't think they'll change anything. Dont get me wrong, I liked the ShB version, but still but honestly, the class is more popular now. You might not like it, but I doubt they'll change anything. The vast majority of player don't care about the classes being easy, it's mainly a raider problem, and from what I gathered, raid completion varies between 5 and 25% depending on DC, servers, and difficulty.

[rawker]

The summons aren’t earned and barely do anything, they show up and do a raidwide then disappear. Your rotation is almost unchanged and there is no choice

Why am I not actually controlling anything, why can’t I order my pet to do anything meaningful, why can’t I order or control the summons oh any way, why is my rotation literally one button

WHY is SCH literally a more thematically appropriate SMN than SMN

To be fair, summoning before FF10 were just a spell that does its thing then leaves. It changed in FF10 where the summons take the slot of party members and have move sets of their own. Then it was even more fleshed out in FF11, where the SMN has become a fully fledged pet job.. Though it was relegated to a more supportive role... SMN/WHM anyone? Perpetuation, swapping gear to maximize summoning magic, and who would have forgotten of Carbuncle in level 20 avatar trials?

FF14 had the potential to further improve on it but the was just scrapped in favor of the dull but flashy summoning of the past.

I know I am now sounding like an old record for saying this but they could have made Arcanist take on the entire pet management, traits surpassing level 50 to upgrade Carbuncle's stats for parity, then SMN and SCH to add abilities related to their respective roles... again taking advantage of the pet management from ACN.

The fact is, it's one of the most played class, if not the most played, so I don't think they'll change anything. Dont get me wrong, I liked the ShB version, but still but honestly, the class is more popular now. You might not like it, but I doubt they'll change anything. The vast majority of player don't care about the classes being easy, it's mainly a raider problem, and from what I gathered, raid completion varies between 5 and 25% depending on DC, servers, and difficulty.

because with current SMN, you don't need to memorize a lot to bring in so much rdps. Path of least resistance. If any job will have the easiest rotation, people will flock to it.. not because it's great but it's because it's simple.

[ThorneDynasty]

The fact is, it's one of the most played class, if not the most played, so I don't think they'll change anything

a "rotation" that can be condensed to a single button macro that plays the job nigh perfectly for you

Not fact checking if it's the most played class, but yeah? I also play WAR even though I don't like it because it ranges between broken and god mode for soloing anything. You can also bet if they added an unkillable job that did top DPS with a single button spam and a rez everyone would gravitate toward it for farming content. Doesn't mean it's good design. And it's not far from the truth.

[seolhyun]

The fact is, it's one of the most played class, if not the most played, so I don't think they'll change anything. Dont get me wrong, I liked the ShB version, but still but honestly, the class is more popular now. You might not like it, but I doubt they'll change anything. The vast majority of player don't care about the classes being easy, it's mainly a raider problem, and from what I gathered, raid completion varies between 5 and 25% depending on DC, servers, and difficulty.

the easiest class is always the most popular lol that means nothing

[LilimoLimomo]

I like the current SMN much better than the previous one, but that said I do feel like it leaves the folks who like pet gameplay out in the cold. Hopefully CBU3 will release a class like Puppetmaster in the future, though it's a shame it will be at a minimum years until something like that would be possible. My heart goes out to the pet folks.

[vetch]

And really, was there any reason the flashy animations you love so much that gameplay be damned, couldn't have been attached to the more substantial job? We didn't need abandon the caster role or have a "rotation" that can be condensed to a single button macro that plays the job nigh perfectly for you, just to have precious big boom colors.

Why does the discussion always immediately reduce to "but animations" when that's just the skin for gameplay that's completely transferable?

You might be the only other person who understands this.

[Eastwall]

Man, l just want an easy dps to play when roulette gives bonus for dps.

[rawker]

You can play every DPS job at bare minimum and still be able to do decent. Current SMN is just a few apm away from playing healer that isn't SCH. Even AST is more engaging than current SMN.

[Keichi]

Man, l just want an easy dps to play when roulette gives bonus for dps.

Easy dps to play:
- Monk: he became a little more complex in EW, as to the end of Shb time. But in overhaule did he feel very easy to play. There is little to watch over. And the ability to switch to practicly every skill at every time, make him smooth.

- dragoon: very similary to monk. He feels like the most steeamlined class from all and feels fast to. Maybe a little busy, when you unlock the red skills. Downside: the shadow of the rework, where whe have no ideas, how exactly it will looking

- mch/bard: both feels very easy and has no complex part. Maybe a little the songs of the bard.

[Raikai]

They got the job fantasy 100% right. You are an actual summoner who rotates between different creatures, not just a Ruin mage + Poison with the occasional Demi.

The problem is just that apparently they spent all the budget on looks and the actual gameplay is really bland. Hopefully Dawntrail addresses that.