FFXIV needs to stop accommodating Solo Players

[Nighthawky2010]

Silva - that was well argued & I totally agree with you. Even though I am a solo player, I like doing the roulettes & the goal is to through the dungeons/trials/raids is to get to the finish & get to the end. Basically, there no need to conversate with anyone besides saying HI at the beginning of the game & GG when the duty is completed. Roulettes are done groups cooperating to get to the finished, nothing more, nothing less, its still group content. Trust me if I could do Roulettes with squadrons/trusts/duty supports, I WOULD!!

[Supersnow845]

If the healer doesn’t heal the mobs run amok; actually if the healer doesn’t heal the tank just does it for them, if the tank doesn’t tank most of the melee DPS can handle the garbage damage output the dungeons put out; hell modern tankbusters can be handled by a melee personal mit and a mitigation from the healer, if the DPS don’t do DPS the tank and the healer put out DPS level DPS in AOE anyway

This is my entire point, you are unable to fail and as such you aren’t cooperating with each other, you are all just independently wailing on the enemies because no jobs individual role matters anymore. There is no refresh or mages Ballard, there is no goad or ewer anymore

What cooperation is there in literally not having to care about how the rest of the group plays because you are literally unable to fail unless you actively try

[Merrigan]

If the healer doesn’t heal the mobs run amok; actually if the healer doesn’t heal the tank just does it for them, if the tank doesn’t tank most of the melee DPS can handle the garbage damage output the dungeons put out; hell modern tankbusters can be handled by a melee personal mit and a mitigation from the healer, if the DPS don’t do DPS the tank and the healer put out DPS level DPS in AOE anyway

This is my entire point, you are unable to fail and as such you aren’t cooperating with each other, you are all just independently wailing on the enemies because no jobs individual role matters anymore. There is no refresh or mages Ballard, there is no goad or ewer anymore

What cooperation is there in literally not having to care about how the rest of the group plays because you are literally unable to fail unless you actively try

Dude, your messages are nonsense. You're superimposing two problems: the fact that dungeon difficulty doesn't suit you, and the notion of cooperation.

Cooperation = working towards a common goal. The fact that you can do someone else's task, or that there is a programmed failure if one of the roles is absent, simply doesn't enter into the definition.

[Supersnow845]

Dude, your messages are nonsense. You're superimposing two problems: the fact that dungeon difficulty doesn't suit you, and the notion of cooperation.

Cooperation = working towards a common goal. The fact that you can do someone else's task, or that there is a programmed failure if one of the roles is absent, simply doesn't enter into the definition.

I think you’ll find if you go into a task then do everything yourself the other people aren’t going to say you are cooperating with them

[Lyth]

I think you’ll find if you go into a task then do everything yourself the other people aren’t going to say you are cooperating with them

So if you hard carry a team, that's not cooperating? That's a new one. Usually people just say thank you and move on.

Either way, what you're pointing to is a flaw of the trinity model and the difficulty in distributing responsibilities in an equal and fair way. This has nothing to do with the concept of solo play.

[Supersnow845]

So if you hard carry a team, that's not cooperating? That's a new one. Usually people just say thank you and move on.

Either way, what you're pointing to is a flaw of the trinity model and the difficulty in distributing responsibilities in an equal and fair way. This has nothing to do with the concept of solo play.

Yes if you as a tank can just solo the boss from 85% because the healer died to the first mechanic then I genuinely don’t see that as cooperation, you are just doing your own thing that’s vaguely aligned with someone else, the roles should rely on each other and coordinate with each other to achieve a goal, the tank mitigates, the healer heals the DPS provide support and do damage

On the current modern design you are functionally playing with bots

[Merrigan]

I think you’ll find if you go into a task then do everything yourself the other people aren’t going to say you are cooperating with them

It's not by taking a specific case (here, assuming that the other players are dead) that your argument will be better. In fact, it tends to prove that your initial argument wasn't very good...

Just: I agree that cooperative systems could be better, but putting the difficulty = cooperation equation is wrong. It's factual and in the dictionary definition.

Do you count cheering someone on from the sidelines as they watch you solo the boss as cooperation?

& Same answer.

[Supersnow845]

It's not by taking a specific case (here, assuming that the other players are dead) that your argument will be better. In fact, it tends to prove that your initial argument wasn't very good...

Just: I agree that cooperative systems could be better, but putting the difficulty = cooperation equation is wrong. It's factual and in the dictionary definition.



& Same answer.

You don’t need the other players to be dead to functionally just not need to care about other players

I’m not trying to link difficulty to cooperation here, dungeons are too easy but that isn’t my point, my point is if you have the tools; and the game encourages you; to outright ignore the other players because what they are doing is functionally irrelevant to what you are doing are you really cooperating because you are vaguely working towards the same goal of clearing the dungeon

In my eyes you aren’t and that contributes to why 14 feels way too solo focused. If I’m a tank I can ignore the healer, if I’m a healer I can ignore the DPS, if I’m a DPS I can ignore everyone but myself, there is no refresh, or tank stance, or goad or ewer. Why am I playing with other people if their actions have literally no bearing on me at all other than slightly changing the clear time of the content

The reason why self-healing tanks and raises on DPS exist is because they don't want everything to grind to a halt if a healer consistently dies in casual content. That's artificial value.

Again, this has nothing to do with solo vs. small group vs. large group gameplay, and we don't need to make everything into a healer thread.

And I’m not, this affects healers worse than other roles but all 3 suffer from it, I’m just most experienced with healers, I could argue from any of the three roles perspective.

An excessive focus on small group content that you then make other players you are playing irrelevant to yourself is basically just playing solo

[AnotherPerson]

Dude, your messages are nonsense. You're superimposing two problems: the fact that dungeon difficulty doesn't suit you, and the notion of cooperation.

Cooperation = working towards a common goal. The fact that you can do someone else's task, or that there is a programmed failure if one of the roles is absent, simply doesn't enter into the definition.

Do you count cheering someone on from the sidelines as they watch you solo the boss as cooperation? Honestly curious. I've been in parties where the healer died early, and the two dps immediately died from failing the mechanic in quick succession from full hp. They all raised outside the dungeon and they told me to keep going because WAR is broken instead of just wiping directly and resetting... It took me well over 10 minutes alone on taking the boss down.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Gotta love how when people have nothing of value to add to the conversation, they just turn to semantics as a thinly veiled attempt to shut off or deflect points.

Do you count cheering someone on from the sidelines as they watch you solo the boss as cooperation? Honestly curious. I've been in parties where the healer died early, and the two dps immediately died from failing the mechanic in quick succession from full hp. They all raised outside the dungeon and they told me to keep going because WAR is broken instead of just wiping directly and resetting... It took me well over 10 minutes alone on taking the boss down.

I hate this behavior. So much for wanting a 'cooperation/coordination'---yeah no, it's not. That's dumping their workload to my hands after deliberately participating in a duty as the role of their own choice. I've had that happened several times as a tank in dungeon. All 4 incl DRK. They are fun first few times if you're trying to see how far you can get on your own. They are not fun when it's slowly being normalized.